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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by randomNumber7 »

ihsw wrote: post #282
mikkupikku wrote: post #159

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How can a state survive if this weren't the norm? Why would men fight and die for a government that views their own wives and daughters as cannon fodder? If the government is conscripting men's wives to war, is it really in the interest of men to risk their own lives to protect that government? If the government took my wife and sent her to war, I'd sooner firebomb a government office than join up to fight for the go…

How does a state survive if refugees/immigrants are imported en masse and then the state becomes so dysfunctional to such a degree that its male citizens must be conscripted to fight and die for it? Surely this is a recipe for disaster. I would sooner die for my family and my country but I wouldn't lift a finger to save the lives of refugees/immigrants.

Why not just leave for another more sane country before that happens? It's for sure what I will do.

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Post by englishrookie »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #363
bilsbie wrote: post #221

“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

Yeah, those are just pretty words without the power to enforce them, like everything else the UN does

Almost everything about societies except cities is just pretty words. Countries and most borders are just an abstraction. We fight for them because someone convinces us with words to do so. We could do the same for the UN and it would be a much nobler cause in most cases.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by wolvesechoes »

kingleopold wrote: post #396
wolvesechoes wrote: post #393

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> Nobody even questions why men in UKR. cannot leave the country Because the answer is obvious - Ukraine fights war.

Why is it only *forced for men? Does that sound equal and civil to you? note we are not living in middle ages and there is no world war.

> Why is it only *forced for men?

Because since mass armies are the case it always was so, and all can men do now is whine on the internet, because they are not going to do anything.

> Does that sound equal and civil to you?

Not really, but however it sounds has no impact of it being the case.

> note we are not living in middle ages

In middle ages most men had no obligation to fight wars.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by randomNumber7 »

orange_joe wrote: post #150
dwedge wrote: post #132

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Why would this affect feminism? If they want to fight for equal rights to conscription nobody is stopping them, and if they don't nobody is going to force them to. These gotchas don't really have any reflection on reality.

I am wondering if the affected men will demand preferential treatment as a consequence of service. Women currently benefit from disproportionate employment in the social safety net, affirmative action in German government hiring, etc. I would imagine that this would be essentially offensive to the men who are required to stay in the country, or face (potential future) conscription. I suspect the demands of European g…

> I am wondering if the affected men will demand preferential treatment as a consequence of service.

I'm more thinking about leaving asap.

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Post by Qem »

mothballed wrote: post #147
unsupp0rted wrote: post #115

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That's a non-sequitur to the question. And the answer is that women are equal to men in all things, except when things get serious, and then all of a sudden biology matters again

Well women are the rate limiting factor in having more men produced for war fodder. It probably makes more sense to ban birth control at the same time men are required to die for the war machine as both would then be playing out their slavery-induced biological role in ensuring survival of the nation. That is if you're down with the whole slavery for war thing.

Wouldn't make more sense instead of make conscription mandatory only for men, to make it mandatory for all childless people then?

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Post by mrob »

overfeed wrote: post #298
dmitrygr wrote: post #257

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Tie draft registration to voting registration. Equality before law, and all that

Service guarantees citizenship (rights). I am doing my part! https://youtu.be/jO1vWxUqpFI

Less evil than military slavery.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by throwaway198846 »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #279
ck45 wrote: post #254

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I don't have intentions to justify an injustice. I'm saying why should we try to make it even harder for a disadvantaged group? It does not help a single German man if women also have to comply to this law. Fixing women's rights on the other hand gives everybody the benefit of living in a society that is more fair. For me, that's a valuable goal.

Women vote, and pressure politicians into continuing a war that they will never have to fight themselves. Many such cases.

Can you show me a recent war in a democracy where women had greater percentage of supporting a war than men?

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Post by dingi »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #326
logicchains wrote: post #260

Welcome to Dubai, German habibis, you can join all the Russians fleeing their draft here. Still a lot less likely to get hit by a drone here than to die when fighting on the frontlines in Europe.

We are indeed evolving into a situation where Islamic monarchies not only sound reasonable but start to look like a viable option.

Islamic societies could be the only ones that will be left standing after all these nonsense we see in the west.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by randomNumber7 »

logicchains wrote: post #214
surgical_fire wrote: post #187

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Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here. Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

"Fuck you got mine" is the attitude of the boomers expecting young people to die for a country that the boomers left economically and demographically ruined. Young Germans have the worst life prospects of any generation in the past fifty years.

But if you look at serious polls then not many young people will actually fight for this. I remember reading a number of around 15%... And those probably don't have a high IQ.
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