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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by SoftTalker »

renewiltord wrote: post #165

> When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed out that "the regulation was already in place during the Cold War and had no practical relevance; in particular, there are no penalties for violating it.” The famed German rule-following in action. This kind of routine violation of regulation is what led to Dieselgate. Social norms in places like this rarely support rule of law. There's a reason the EPA was the one whic…

The EPA was able to do this because they made up some new numbers and set an arbitrary deadline. The same cars the year before were fine. The EPA altered the deal and then exacted punishment.

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Post by breppp »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #174
cocodill wrote: post #68

Busification, when?

If you ever wonder what is the role of professional army in case of any serious invasion or war. Their role is to hunt for conscripts, kidnap them, and transport them to the army recruitment centers.

I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically

Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

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Post by rvnx »

tokai wrote: post #248
rvnx wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't trust the European Union to be the one that will challenge that German mobilization register at all. COVID-19 has proven that if anything, the European Union tends to spread national initiatives among other countries (and Germany is often a leader in EU). In this specific case, the EU is more likely to be the type of organization that would think about how to create a unified permit -> as they did with the…

Don't post made up lies here.

https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-defence-indus...

There is a new military Schengen project to make troops and unified military documentation across whole EU.

Obviously there will need to be a registry of personnel there, so these people can be prevented to leave.

On the side you have SIS Schengen, where you can (already) have an active arrest warrant for desertion.

Nothing indicates that European Union is going to fight against such registries. It's even the opposite.

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Post by ck45 »

jadamson wrote: post #219
ck45 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, 2 wrongs make one right, don't they?! I wish we'd first fix women's rights and then extend their duties. What the OP does is just egoistically trying to make other groups also suffer.

> I wish we'd first fix women's rights and then extend their duties. "We'll get around to it when some arbitrary measure is met, we promise" This is the same thing you're criticising - using one injustice to justify another.

I don't have intentions to justify an injustice. I'm saying why should we try to make it even harder for a disadvantaged group? It does not help a single German man if women also have to comply to this law. Fixing women's rights on the other hand gives everybody the benefit of living in a society that is more fair. For me, that's a valuable goal.

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Post by orange_joe »

pj_mukh wrote: post #243
orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

How does a government express "anti-feminism". Surely you're not suggesting a reduction in voting power for women. So what else would make it seem "fair" to men in your mind?

I'm not being prescriptive, just observing the likely consequences of gendered policy.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #229
mytailorisrich wrote: post #209

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That's interesting because on the face of it this none of the EU's business... but also typical of the EU and EU governments to expand what is thr EU's business little by little.

The whole existence of the EU has its background in the end of WWII. > 18 April 1951 – European Coal and Steel Community > Based on the Schuman plan, six countries sign a treaty to run their coal and steel industries under a common management. In this way, no single country can make the weapons of war to turn against others, as in the past. The six are Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg.…

Absolutely not. What you quote is beside the point and irrelevant.

Defence and the military is a sovereign matter that has nothing to do with the EU... except we are seeing that this is changing without democratic national mandates.

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Post by dmitrygr »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #142
diath wrote: post #100

Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.

A lot of draft laws haven't been touched in a long time and aren't updated for modern gender politics. Though I do wonder if they'll actually get updated ever - no politician wants to touch it and it's not like anyone is screaming for the right to be forced to go die in war. It's always weird to me how surprised women are that every single man they know has had to specifically, actually physically ink paper to sign u…

Tie draft registration to voting registration. Equality before law, and all that

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Post by SauntSolaire »

eesmith wrote: post #215
cjbgkagh wrote: post #190

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In measuring grips strength, which is a good proxy for general strength, 90% of females producing less force than 95% of males. In other words almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

If that factoid were at all important then the military should use grip strength to determine who to draft, not gender.

They might, if they had a national registry of grip strength. Until then I suppose they'll stick with using the nearest proxy.

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Post by gmadsen »

eesmith wrote: post #215
cjbgkagh wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In measuring grips strength, which is a good proxy for general strength, 90% of females producing less force than 95% of males. In other words almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

If that factoid were at all important then the military should use grip strength to determine who to draft, not gender.

We already have data on one of those…

Pragmatically, the main reason that has been true throughout all of history is that women are more valuable reproductively. A country can lose half its men in a war and still recover. The same is not true if it loses half its women.

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