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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
"maintain a home server" in this case roughly means "park a headless Mac mini (or laptop or RPi) on your desk" And you can use a local LLM if you want to eliminate the cloud dependency.
You have spend tens of thousands of dollars on hardware to approach the reasoning and tool call levels of SOTA models...so, casually mentioning "just use local LLM" is out of reach for the common man.
That's pretty much how it was in the 90s with computer tech. 10 years later we were watching cat videos on machines that dwarfed the computing power of what used to be servers.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#433> Bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend. Disappointing. There is a Rust-based assistant that can run comfortably in a Raspberry PI (or some very old computer you are not using) https://zeroclawlabs.ai/ https://github.com/zeroclaw-labs/zeroclaw (Built by Harvard and MIT students, looks like) EDIT: sorry top Google result led to a fake ZeroClaw!
dude nobody cares about school prestige, the whole value in openclaw was that its an innovative idea, not that its written in Rust
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#434Can't we rename "Claws" -> "Personal assistants"? OpenClaw is a stupid name. Even "OpenSlave" would be a better fit.
I think claws is a great name. They let the AI go grab things. They snap away and get stuff done. Claws are powerful and everything that has claws is cool.
Some of this may be slightly satirical.
(But I still think “claws” works better than “personal assistant” which anthropomorphises the technology too much.)
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#435How much does it cost to run these? I see mentions of Claude and I assume all of these tools connect to a third party LLM api. I wish these could be run locally too.
You can run openclaw locally against ollama if you want. But the models that are distilled/quantized enough to run on consumer hardware can have considerably poorer quality than full models.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#436> Bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend. Disappointing. There is a Rust-based assistant that can run comfortably in a Raspberry PI (or some very old computer you are not using) https://zeroclawlabs.ai/ https://github.com/zeroclaw-labs/zeroclaw (Built by Harvard and MIT students, looks like) EDIT: sorry top Google result led to a fake ZeroClaw!
I assumed that was for running the actual LLM locally?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not a great use case for Claw really. I'm sure ChatGPT can one shot a Python script to do this with yt-dlp and give you instructions on how to set it up as a service
I mean that’s sort of where I think this all will land. Use something like happy cli to connect to CC in a workspace directory where it can generate scripts, markdown files, and systemd unit files. I don’t see why you’d need more than that. That cuts 500k LoC from the stack and leverages a frontier tool like CC
We think alike!
https://github.com/kzahel/claw-starter
Systemd basic script + markdown + (bring whatever agent CLI)
That's I think basically what you describe. I've been using it for the past two days it's very very basic but it's a I think it gives you everything you actually need sort of the minimal open claw without a custom harness and 5k loc or 50k or w/e. The cool thing is that it can just grow naturally and you can audit as it grows
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most web sites don't let you create service accounts; they're built for humans.
Is this reply meant to be for a different comment?
No. I was trying to explain that providing web access shouldn't be tantamount to handing over the keys. You should be able to use sites and apps through a limited service account, but this requires them to be built with agents and authorization in mind. REST APIs often exist but are usually written with developers in mind. If agents are going to go maintstream, these APIs need to be more user friendly.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#439I still dont understand the hype for any of this claw stuff
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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#440> Bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend. Disappointing. There is a Rust-based assistant that can run comfortably in a Raspberry PI (or some very old computer you are not using) https://zeroclawlabs.ai/ https://github.com/zeroclaw-labs/zeroclaw (Built by Harvard and MIT students, looks like) EDIT: sorry top Google result led to a fake ZeroClaw!
Looks interesting but I haven't seen it discussed much yet. How did you find out about it?