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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by oaiey »

egeozcan wrote: post #209
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

Also > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys ... vs > Most importantly, Actions has inexcusable bugs ... I commend the author for correcting their mistakes. However, IMHO, an acknowledgement instead of just a silent edit would have been better. Anyway, each to their own, and I'm happy for the Zig community.

He acknowledged. Linked in the article.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by [deleted] »

rzwitserloot wrote: post #340
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

There is utility in indicating how surprised / concerned you are at a certain process or event. We can flatten out all communication and boil everything down to an extremely neutral "up", "down", and "nailed it to exacting precision". I find the fact that this painting has been hung crooked by 0.00001º: down I find torture and mass murder: down Clearly this is a ridiculous state of affairs. There's more gradations av…

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by venturecruelty »

I'm loving all the seething comments because a smart man who runs a good project is doing something a bunch of stealth GitHub employees don't like, even though it doesn't affect them. You don't have to use Zig, y'all. You don't have to agree with Andrew's opinions, y'all.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by PunchyHamster »

Havoc wrote: post #255

See also people switching from windows to Linux. MS need a stint of focusing on what users want rather than ramming stuff down their throat unasked hoping they’ll swallow

MS need someone that will slap people doing the second the moment some of the first happen.

Securing base, easy to use and reliable OS should be no.1 priority.

Forcing down the throat services the users largely do not want just breeds resentment, and not only in people treated that way but also anyone that hears about it.

If W11 was "hey, we did some optimising, fixed some bugs and HEY, if you have TPM2.0, we can do that little step to make your machine more secure!" there would be far less resentment.

Similarly with every other feature, ask user, present the benefits, fuck off if they don't want to. NOT "turn it on by default then let them try to figure out how to turn it off". And then ask them again every few days with only option being "remind me later" as current copilot feature for teams does.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by PunchyHamster »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #22

Last week the reason for the move was MS tools being used by the baddies. Today AI is the baddie du jour. To use a great quote "either do or don't, but I got places to be".

I remember getting ad in a podcast for an AI tool that is designed to combat scams using AI tools.

We really got to the point where AI is both a problem and solution to the problem it causes.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

"bloated, buggy Javascript framework"

Companies with heaps of cash are (over)paying "software engineers" to create and maintain it

Millions of people, unable to disable it, are "active users"

When I use Github servers I only use them to download source code, as zipballs or tarballs. I don't run any JS

The local forward proxy skips the redirects when downloading

   http-request set-path %[path,regsub(/blob/,/raw/,g)] if { hdr(host) github.com }
   http-request set-path %[path,regsub(/releases/tag/,/releases/expanded_assets/,g)] if { hdr(host) github.com }
Works for me

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by alternatex »

lvass wrote: post #359
JoshTriplett wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> very little empirical evidence Evidence is easy to turn up and cite: https://security.googleblog.com/2025/11/rust-in-android-move... https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/urgent-need-memory-saf... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/msrc/blog/2019/07/a-proactiv... https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/memory-safet... https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/02/rewriting-a-browser-compon...

FWIW, all of those links compare Rust to languages created before 1980, and are all projects largely and unusually independent of the crates ecosystem and where dynamic linking does not matter. If you're going to use a modern language anyway, you should do due diligence and compare it with something like Swift as the ladybird team is doing right now, or even a research language like Koka. There is a huge lack of evid…

Here's what Microsoft decided after a comparison to C#: https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/31/microsoft_seeks_rust_...

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by lenkite »

jmull wrote: post #343
jack_pp wrote: post #194

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Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

What does any of this have to do with political correctness? Not being a dick is quite a different thing than political correctness. Makes me wonder how much to the mass strife and confusion of the internet is simply down to people not knowing what the words they use mean?

It has everything to do with political correctness. Honest, blunt language is now de-valued in favor of passive, sanitized, AI-slop language that no longer conveys important information. The revised post forgot to mention the critical point of the bloated, buggy Javascript framework because it would offend someone here.

Prefer a blunt, honest dick over a passive, polite liar anyday.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by blibble »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #303
blibble wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The main thing I like about Github's PRs is that it's a system I'm already familiar with and have a login/account for. It's tedious going to contribute to a project to find I have to sign up for and learn another system. codeberg supports logging in with GitHub accounts, and the PR interface is exactly the same you have nothing new to learn!

Yeah and this slavish devotion to keeping the existing (broken imho) PR structure from GH is the one thing I most dislike about Forgejo, but oh well. I still moved my project over to Codeberg. GH's PR system is semi-tolerable for open source projects. It's downright broken for commercial software teams of any scale. Like the other commenter: I miss Gerrit and proper comment change tracking.

agreed, the github "innovation", i.e. the pull request interface is terrible for anything other than small changes

hopefully codeberg can build on it, and have an "advanced" option

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by xanthor »

oaiey wrote: post #421
intalentive wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kelly’s indignant attitude and commitment to “engineering excellence” suggest a bright future for Zig. It’s good to see the leader of a technical project get angry about mediocrity.

[..] in a product not people. Insulting people is never a solution.

Sometimes people need to be shocked awake. Reality is harsh, and gentle language doesn't change that.
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