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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Many people confuse competence and dedication. A competent developer would be more likely to send a PR using the tool with zero friction than to dedicate a few additional hours of his life to create an account and figure out how to use some obscure.

A competent developer wouldn't call gerrit an obscure tool.

This attitude sucks and is pretty close to just being flame bait. There are all kinds of developer who would have no reason to ever have come across it.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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> The Go reviewers are also more likely than usual to assume you're incompetent if your PR comes from Github I've always done it that way, and never got that feeling.

there's certainly a higher rejection rate for github PRs

That seems unsurprising given that it’s the easiest way for most people to do it. Almost any kind of obstacle will filter out the bottom X% of low effort sludge.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project?

Linux seems to be doing fine.

I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

Reads like an official White House statement[0].

[0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/03/yes-biden-spent-...

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I don’t remember AI being used as a widespread marketing term until 2-3 years ago. Before that it was just more of a vague tech thing you’d sometimes see, but now every single app seems to have reframed their business to be about AI agents.

There have been at least 3 waves of AI before the LLM generation. 70s , 80s and late 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter Early 2010s had a lot of neural networks AI stuff going on and it certainly became a minor hype cycle as well though that kind of resulted in the current LLM wave.

Yes I know that, but those were all largely confined to technology companies and academia. This recent wave seems to affect everything.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

Linus famously was quite strict and cursed quite a bit when somebody pissed him off with stupidity.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Seeing the decline of GitHub in Actions is technically correct, but Actions was always broken. We tried getting self-hosted runners to work super early before there was a proper ephemeral mode (just an officially unsupported race-condition-y --once flag). It sucked. That code can't produce a consistent status code, constantly failed to connect to its scheduler with obscure Azure error codes and had so many races with accepting and timing out jobs. Runners wouldn't get new jobs, jobs would sit there for an hour and then time out, runners would just die and need to be re-provisioned (we used ephemeral VMs in a GCP instance group). This is all because Actions is actually Azure DevOps Pipelines rebranded.

Compared to then this product is downright mature now. And also, there always were people at GitHub who delivered crappy products outside the core that most people working on FOSS got to see. Enterprise Cloud has a ton of sharp edges and things that make you ask "WHY" out loud. Notifications with SAML enabled are broken in countless ways (I have 0 out of 12 notifications right now), newly onboarded users are encouraged to click a "request copilot" button that sends emails to admins you can't disable, policy toggles that used to do one thing get split up and not defaulted properly. The last two in particular are just dark pattern hacks to get people to use Copilot. In an enterprise product.

I haven't used GHES, but I imagine it's worse.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Maybe this is a nice chance to ask, would you move from Gitlab to Github? I would say no, but some people in my org are proposing it, it seems to me simply because the integration it has with AI tools, but my experience has been worse in Github than with Gitlab.

For me they're both about equally shitty, but with Github you get a nice commit calendar to show off to recruiters - so Github wins IMO.
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