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> You assumed for some reason I was talking about deporting people and not attacking people in boats with hellfire missiles. No, I understood you clearly as you said “outside the United States.” My point was that American military adventurism still wouldn’t justify terrorism. I then went on to describe how the majority of deportees have plainly violated the law, and that even if some proportion of deportees had their…
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Pretty obviously. In fact, you defined a pretty good standard with the exception of the snark about what the OP deems humane - not deporting to an overcrowded prison in a 3rd country can’t be that hard to agree on. All evidenced by the fact that higher deportation numbers during Obama created no uproar. You think it’s coz Obama was handsome or smtg?
> Pretty obviously. You're telling me it's obvious but I still don't think that you'd agree with the statement that: "your only objection to these activities is their real or potential impact on the civil rights of American citizens." If the infrastructure was in place to ensure each of these cases was thoroughly reviewed (for example, to address refugee claimant status), would you object to the deportation of absolu…
Deportation had been “sending you back home” until now. Sending people to a prison in whatever country you want is so plainly illegal and immoral. Not expecting morality anymore but would you agree with Americans being deported to Iran if they were in Palestine illegally? I am certain you would not.
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I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress lik…
> He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources You're literally saying the quiet part out loud. So many people here are complaining that ICE is arresting US citizens, but you literally admit that they're interfering. And yes, it's illegal to "forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with a federal officer. See https://www.law…
When we say they're arresting US citizens I'm referring to the brown people they're picking up off the streets purely for being brown. The lawncare guy they picked up the other day, on film and with paperwork, wasn't protesting or interfering with anything.
You're just making things up to justify this fascist take over.
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> The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. When has military action every used due process? If you don't agree that the military should be used against suspected narco-terorrists, then say that. But they kill about 70000 Americans a year just with Fentanyl overdoses. I don't think killing 70 narco-terrorists (so far) is much of an escalation.
> suspected narco-terorrists Ooooh scary, Venezuelans on flimsy boats transporting cocaine (not fentanyl) are terrorizing the US government... how exactly? I don't believe small fishing boats coming from Venezuela are the root of the fentanyl crisis. If you're an ardent supporter of this administration no matter what they do, then say that. Your usage of "narco-terrorist" and saying they (who is they?) kill 70k Ameri…
It’s an accurate description of what these organizations are. Latin American history is basically a story of central governments trying to control these crime syndicates, failing, and then descending into civil war as landowners and urban elites figure the more practical solution is to just massacre all of them. This is true of Colombia, Brazil, El Salvador, and half a dozen other countries. Venezuela attracts the attention that it does because the government is effectively part of the syndicate. [0] Mexico is like this too but has either established backroom deals with the feds to avoid scrutiny or is considered too risky to intervene in.
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My aunt is a republican lobbyist. She is also a drunk. This means that she gets drunk and texts the family things all of the time. She wants everybody in US cities to suffer. Illegal immigrant, legal immigrant, or citizen. She thinks that people who live in places like Chicago are snooty woke idiots and that it'd be better if cops hit every single person there with a nightstick and took them away from their kids.
This has nothing to do with my comment.
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Disagreement is censorship? To make this more substantive and on point, I get the argument you are making -- if there were no "illegals" here, then there would be a stronger job market for the lower end of spectrum. That is true to some degree. It is healthy to discuss the issue, but the discussion should be based on all the facts, not some of the facts, and not made-up facts. Secondly, the article of the thread was…
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BTW, the idiom is "toe the line".
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For me, its really simple. ICE agents wouldn't need to be masked and unidentified if what they are doing is okay.
>Cities like Milwaukee require police officers to make their names or officer identification numbers visible. This ensures that if there is an allegation of wrongdoing, the officer can be identified. This also is to guard against impersonators. >There are exceptions. For instance, Milwaukee police detectives wear "plain clothes," often a dress shirt and pants. And, of course, undercover officers dress in such a way n…
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Right, so, I'm not making a normative claim about the right about of immigration. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call myself an "open borders" person, but I'm very pro-immigration. Pro-immigration in the sense of believing we benefit from the mix of new Americans we get over our southern border, not in the weird doublespeak sense of appreciating skilled immigration from Europe. But from 2021-2023, we experienced…
I was looking at yearly immigration numbers and there is variation in the reporting, which is to be expected, but from what I can see, the census bureau sees a fairly stable number of immigrants (undocumented and otherwise) year over year from 2010-2025, and many sources agree, although CATO intstitute indicates a rather large increase (around %40) in this time period. Can you please share some information as to why…
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>Cities like Milwaukee require police officers to make their names or officer identification numbers visible. This ensures that if there is an allegation of wrongdoing, the officer can be identified. This also is to guard against impersonators. >There are exceptions. For instance, Milwaukee police detectives wear "plain clothes," often a dress shirt and pants. And, of course, undercover officers dress in such a way n…
undercover police officers identify themselves when making an arrest.
>The requirement for police officers to provide their name and badge number varies across the United States. While no federal law mandates disclosure, many states and municipalities have their own statutes aimed at enhancing transparency and accountability. These laws often require officers to identify themselves during specific interactions, such as traffic stops or arrests, to ensure citizens can hold law enforcement accountable.
https://legalclarity.org/does-a-police-officer-have-to-give-...
ICE where uniforms that say "ICE" in big letters. That's identification. Undercover police officers might identify themselves during an arrest, but only as "police." Undercover police officers aren't going to give you their name and badge number if you ask them.
>Situations Where Disclosure May Be Withheld
>While officers are generally expected to provide their name and badge number, there are situations where disclosure may justifiably be withheld. During undercover operations, revealing an officer’s identity could compromise safety and the operation’s integrity.
>In protests or crowd control situations, officers may face security concerns, such as risks of doxxing or harassment. To address this, some departments allow officers to withhold identification while still requiring visible markers, like badge numbers, to maintain accountability without endangering safety.
This stuff is trivially googlable.
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Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.
Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...
Anyone likely to be targeted by these thugs needs to be talking to local activist groups that know exactly what's happening first hand.
Offering armchair views that are clearly from a position of ignorance is yes, provable negative value.
Please just don't.
Edit: talked with a friend who's doing some activist work on this in his area. The advice is actually to avoid carrying your passport or similar, as if they detain you they'll just throw it away along with the rest of your belongings, and you'll have to go through the weeks long process of getting a new one.
And that's the happy case if they throw you in the van and let you out hours or a couple days later.