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I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by cyberax »

coldpie wrote: post #61
Aurornis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Mac Desktop is vastly inferior to the Linux world I have to use Mac, Linux, and Windows desktops in my work. They all have their pros and cons, but I can’t say I’d ever argue that the Mac desktop experience is vastly inferior to the Linux desktop experience. Edit: Getting a lot of downvotes but most of the comments are about someone’s highly customized Linux desktop compared to completely vanilla Mac desktop. I…

Man just give me a way to switch between only the two most recent windows using a keyboard shortcut (without requiring some janky 3rd party program). Windows-style alt-tab. It's not a big ask and would make the macOS experience go from "barely usable" to "perfectly fine."

I'm using virtual desktops in FlashSpace for that. There's also a third party utility called Alt-Tab that can do that.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by UK-Al05 »

didacusc wrote: post #22
cardanome wrote: post #8

As a Linux user I feel you. The Mac Desktop is vastly inferior to the Linux world (for power users) but the hardware is so, so good. For me it is about having a completely silent setup. It is so, so hard to go back to noisy fans. I really hope Asahi Linux keep going so I can have the best of both worlds.

Saying that the macOS desktop is vastly inferior to Linux desktops is absolutely nuts. I've tried to get my relatives on Linux desktops so many times, just for it to go completely wrong a couple of weeks after and having to reinstall Windows. It's just not made for average (or below-average) users, so I don't see how it can be VASTLY inferior to something as easy and polished as macOS.

You're forgetting the target market here. Linux is better for power users. Not average joes.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by cyberax »

lynndotpy wrote: post #272
torstenvl wrote: post #139

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You said "Disabling animations . . . is not even an option on Apple's operating systems." That is quite simply false.

One can not disable the animations on MacOS. I would very much like to be wrong. Please tell me I am wrong and how to disable animations, especially when swapping between desktops.

You can do that by installing FlashSpace. It reimplements the desktop management just to get rid of that stupid animation.

Apple is at this point maliciously incompetent...

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by teekert »

Throwaway123129 wrote: post #366
maverwa wrote: post #17

The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…

This is not a Linux issue (Though the hibernate issues are!). It's a PC issue. Microsoft went on a crusade making hardware vendors implement S0 next to S3 but most hardware vendors now _only_ implement S0. So that the laptop can keep phoning home and download updates etc whilst closed. Which means it's impossible to turn off the CPU during suspend. it's always on. PC as a laptop platform is a complete joke.

Wasn't Apple the one to start with this? And it seems to work well there...?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by pm215 »

voltaireodactyl wrote: post #395
pm215 wrote: post #91

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The one I have always missed is proper focus-follows-mouse support. The mac desktop always feels really clunky without that when working with multiple windows.

FWIW, this is now possible albeit with a third party app: https://github.com/sbmpost/AutoRaise

Proper focus-follows-mouse does not autoraise the window when it gives it focus. I see that that app does offer "don't raise the window" (which I think is an improvement from last time I was researching this some years back), but only under an "experimental feature" flag that relies on undocumented private macos APIs that might go away in any future macos version...

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by wdavidw »

Somehow related, there is a new firmware upgrade available this morning: Beta Software update for your Framework Laptop 16 (AMD Ryzen™ 7040 Series) - BIOS 3.07. Among other things, one update states "Fixed non-functional “Force Power for Input Modules” setting".

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by flexagoon »

nottorp wrote: post #417
eigenspace wrote: post #178

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Instead of a hot-swappable battery, why not just carry a large battery-bank that can charge your laptop over USB-C? That way you don't even need to reboot. Browsing around on Amazon, I see there's actually quite a few battery banks that with over 60W of output, and ~100Wh of capacity for under 100€

> why not just carry a large battery-bank And a mouse, because non apple laptops are hard to use with just the trackpad. And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop. ... sadly, it means I'll have to stick to Apple hardware for longer. As much as I think Cook is an idiot who's trying to dumb their products down to the point they're not even usable for power users, let alone developers.

> And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop.

Not if you get a properly standard-compliant laptop that uses USB PD for charging (like Framework)

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by flexagoon »

sedatk wrote: post #373
eigenspace wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of a hot-swappable battery, why not just carry a large battery-bank that can charge your laptop over USB-C? That way you don't even need to reboot. Browsing around on Amazon, I see there's actually quite a few battery banks that with over 60W of output, and ~100Wh of capacity for under 100€

> why not just carry a large battery-bank Not being allowed to use those on an airplane could be one reason.

You can use a power bank up to 100Wh on a plane, which can be enough for a laptop

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by froobius »

crabmusket wrote: post #430

I use a Mac M4 for work and have a Framework for myself. The M4 is a beast, but I have a different priority for a device I want to call "my own". I want more control over "my" device, and I don't demand the highest performance or battery life. I grew up on Windows, and for a long time dual-booted with various Linuxes, and eventually used WSL on the regular. But now with my Framework I'm running Fedora, so for the fir…

> I suppose, that I'm one of those weird types who likes to actually shut down their computer when they're not using it

Erm, both windows and macs can be shut down

Edit: I'm getting downvoted but the way it's phrased I don't understand the issue with shutting down on macs / window. I always shut them down.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by l11r »

Throwaway123129 wrote: post #366
maverwa wrote: post #17

The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…

This is not a Linux issue (Though the hibernate issues are!). It's a PC issue. Microsoft went on a crusade making hardware vendors implement S0 next to S3 but most hardware vendors now _only_ implement S0. So that the laptop can keep phoning home and download updates etc whilst closed. Which means it's impossible to turn off the CPU during suspend. it's always on. PC as a laptop platform is a complete joke.

S0 is a step forward. Disabling CPU entirely is just a "workaround". Both S3 and hibernation has a lot of security implications which S0 solves. Apple uses their own S0 alternative and it works... Perfectly?

The real problem is that both AMD and Intel S0 implementations are mediocre at best and this is what they should fix. Also most vendors are dickheads and cannot even verify that their system even goes to S0ix states without any problem before releasing it. Because of their laziness you can buy brand new certified "Linux ready" machine which won't even achieve S0ix states out of the box.

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