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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by maxglute »

fennecbutt wrote: post #428
maxglute wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people are struggling but you won't find many truely "homeless", you'll find a lot of migrant/informal workers who has homes in rural areas slumming it in the big city to save $$$ so they can remitt more back home. Most with remotely sound mind / physically able can scrounge up $500 rmb for a shared bunk in a T1 shitbox. It elicits a different kind of sadness vs actual homeless. Generally state makes effort t…

Gosh that's some propaganda. Every country has homeless people. There are truly homeless people in China. You don't need to put it in quotes, either.

Who said there was no homeless? The reply was in context of major cities where one will very rarely see true urban homeless in major urban areas where well off spends there time. The migrant workers naive expats thinks are "homeless" are generally not - they have homes, they're just willing to occasionally slum it while working "abroad" - it's like saying backpackers who camp on side of road to save $$$ are homeless. They're manifestly not the same thing. Hence quotes.

Truly homeless exist, but statistically and visibly much less problem, because typical local gov very proactive/interventionist in moving them off streets... truely urban homelessness is like... not a really a social option... no right to be homeless. VS in west where homeless don't get cleaned up unless for the occassional politically motivated reasons. In PRC it's default, homeless get detected fast -> get moved into local shelter system where system ids them and tries to guilt trip family into caretaker roles -> can come with modest stipend to cover costs.

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Post by bitsage »

rcpt wrote: post #171

Really just unbelievably stupid that the US has decided to brain drain itself for no reason at all.

China has just developed to the extent that top STEM professionals can have a good quality of life at home. Chinese immigrants were pouring when the US was far less welcoming. The US used to also get hordes of migrants from Europe, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea before they developed.

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Post by wordofx »

adamsb6 wrote: post #393
wordofx wrote: post #368

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One of the benefits to China is the low drug use. But you’re blind if you can’t find insane amount of homeless people in Beijing or shanghai. Or that most people there are struggling. If you want to live with tunnel vision then it’s an amazing place to live. (Shanghai cos I didn’t live in any other city. Only travelled)

I guess I must be blind, I've never seen anyone identifiably homeless. The government wouldn't allow encampments, so how can you even tell?

Drive around at 2am. I haven’t lived in China since pre-covid but back then you would see in the early morning police coming to wake them up and move them along. But middle of the night you can drive around see people sleeping under bridges, doorways, alleys, tunnels. Never somewhere permanent. As there is an image to maintain in the cities.

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Post by bitsage »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #17
atq2119 wrote: post #9

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In the European countries that I've bothered to look, crime statistics are actually down. It's just the perception of crime that is up. Think about who might benefit from creating this kind of misleading perception.

It can be misleading in other ways For instance it is trivial for a country to reduce crime statistics simply by making things that used to be crimes legal

We saw NYC and SF do this to disastrous effects. Journalists had to start looking at privately collected victimization rates to get an accurate picture since crime stats were clearly being juked.

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Post by ty6853 »

pezezin wrote: post #430
ty6853 wrote: post #388

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Well for one, Europe has a history of gassing disarmed people and those on registries, for two locking your gun up to pick someone up from the airport just presents an unnecessary opportunity for it to be stolen. Why is it a good thing to put someone into a tiny cage for victimless possession crimes? Why must I convince you why whatever I do is good to preserve my rights? Fuck all that.

Look, I am from Spain, currently living in Japan, two very safe countries with some of the lowest rates of crimes in the world. I have met plenty of Americans living in both places, and do you know what they told me? 1) They love having a functional healthcare system that won't bankrupt them, and 2) they also love being able to walk around, specially at night, without the fear of being shot by a random asshole. So it…

I'm absolutely open to the idea that some people find more freedom with less liberties and more safety.

There are plenty of nice things about Japan. Most Americans who are capable of moving to Japan do not, for one reason or another. The ones capable of doing so generally self select because it jives with their desired way of life. I know of Japanese who moved here and are now gun toting Americans.

Perhaps the spice of life is if you value certain liberties more than life itself, maybe America is an option for you. I'm not totally convinced this is even the case with guns in the long run -- it does seem disarmament buys some short term safety for some people at the expense of long term vulnerability that their government, or external or internal forces, can exploit their disarmed state. This has happened in the US to the Indians, to the Jews in Europe, and to the Filipinos by the Japanese.

I'm saying there is a place with some of the most liberal non commercial speech and strongest gun rights in the world, certain people value this, and if they are like me they're not living their life in fear that these liberties might come with certain additional risks.

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Post by diebeforei485 »

janalsncm wrote: post #325
diebeforei485 wrote: post #297

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It's not in their interest to do so. Tesla is the EV leader and exports many vehicle from China to other countries. Additionally, Elon has a direct line to Trump, it makes no sense to burn bridges.

In what sense is Tesla the EV leader? BYD sold 4.3M EVs last year and is up 40% from 2023. Tesla only sold 1.8M and is down from 2023. From where I’m sitting, Elon is very lucky the US government is protecting his business with tariffs, but that only affects US sales. They haven’t made a new car since 2020 either (cyber truck doesn’t count).

They have the best technology and the highest EV margins.

By analogy: Apple doesn't sell the most smartphones but they are clearly the leader in the smartphone market.

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Post by suraci »

colordrops wrote: post #259
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

> Online propaganda is insanely powerful too.

> Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days

how are these two sentences connected?

I have learnt English for over 10 years, and so have most Chinese students in the past 20 years. This is a part of the Chinese education system. For every Chinese student in top universities, there's a 99.99% chance that he/she is very good at English.

how is this connected to "Online propaganda is insanely powerful too"

what's the context?

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Post by suraci »

immibis wrote: post #382
colordrops wrote: post #259

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Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

Online propaganda since 2014ish led the US to its current state, which is incredible. It turns out you can destroy a country with nothing more than words.

propaganda + 2014 + destroy a country

ukraine: so true, dude, so true

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Post by addicted »

ipaddr wrote: post #101
addicted wrote: post #76

Unsurprising considering the U.S. has been arresting and imprisoning Chinese and American academics with highly prestigious positions in well known universities because they forgot to mention a conference in China they were paid to speak at a decade ago.

Or they show up video taping airbases because they easily get lost

Are the Chinese carrying out espionage in the U.S.?

Yes.

But Indoubt China’s key AI CEOs that need to be warned not to travel to the U.S. will be the ones doing espionage for the Chinese government. If they were, then the govt wouldn’t need to announce not traveling publicly…they’d just pass on the message through their handlers.

The point is that the Chinese (and now, even allies) governments would be justified in thinking that the U.S. despite its reputation for a fair legal system, will arrest or detain a Chinese citizen for no legitimate reason at all.

Is the opposite also true? Should the US government be warning its AI CEOs not to travel to China? Absolutely.

But it’s disappointing that the US’s reputation has fallen so far over the past decade.

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Post by inemesitaffia »

slaw wrote: post #348
inemesitaffia wrote: post #339

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Most of those BYD numbers are hybrids.

58.5% of BYD vehicles were PHEV in 2024. BYD still made more pure EV than Tesla in 2024. https://www.statista.com/chart/33709/tesla-byd-electric-vehi...

Those aren't the numbers here though.

Pretty much every time people mention BYD EV numbers, they add hybrids.

I see it as intent to mislead.

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