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Post by 3vidence »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #183
gspencley wrote: post #38

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Canadian here. It's certainly not normal. News broke yesterday that this was coming. The opposition kept tabling no confidence votes and trying to get an early election called... and Trudeau's approval rating is so low that it might even be the lowest of any Prime Minister in history (though I don't know so if someone does by all means fact check that). However, our upcoming election is this year. It certainly does n…

1% below Stephen Harper, which is bad, but not unprecedented bad. I think if the liberals can delay the election until October, their results won't be so bad, especially if Trump keeps saying dumb things down in America (as he is prone to do), making alignment with the conservatives less popular (they will still win, just not the huge landslide that they can take now).

The approval rating seems like an unhelpful metric here if the actual resulting election is such a landslide.

Also I think there is a bit of a different here between Harpers Conservatives and Tredeaus Liberals.

In 2015 people were actually really excited and hopeful about Justin Trudeau (sounds weird to say but it is true). He was voted in "positively" based on legalizing cannabis & election reform.

2025 is a very different spot, Pollieve is not a particularly popular politician. The singular reason they will win in a land slide is that people HATE Trudeau in a way I haven't seen in my life.

The liberals really should take a long hard look at themselves and re-evaluate. On a more local level the Ontario Liberals actually just collapsed a while ago and haven't even been relevant in politics ever since.

This isn't just the normal trend.

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Post by Matthias247 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #231
srid wrote: post #206

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Out of curiosity, how is the housing & health care situation in those conservative provinces compared to other provinces (like Quebec, where I live in)?

It's instructive to compare Vancouver to Toronto. 10 years ago in BC health care was in worse shape and housing was ~2X the cost of Toronto. In the past 10 years BC has had an NDP government and Ontario a Conservative one. Both housing & health care have gotten worse in BC, but at a much lower rate than in Ontario. Today health care in BC is in much better shape than Ontario, and the cost of housing in Vancouver is a…

Are there any numbers/data for the quality of healthcare in the provinces over time?

At least for housing I see the average home prices in each category (condos, townhomes, detached) still higher in Vancouver than Toronto (when googling a bit, I found https://wowa.ca/reports/canada-housing-market with some data. But there's probably lots of real estate related sites with more).

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Post by I-M-S »

FredPret wrote: post #119
hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #37

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Problem with First Past the Post voting systems, we tend to vote "strategically", and since the Alliance and PC's joined early augh's, the Right has been "unified" while the left is still split between the more centrist liberals and left NDP, with a small portion bled off for green's. Would love to see explanations of downvotes since this is factually true...

First past the post is awesome. I moved from a proportional-representation country to a FPTP one (Canada) and it's so much better to have a specific individual who is my MP. Back where I was born, there's a grey and anonymous party list of people selected by extremely dubious internal party political means. I never felt the slightest bit represented; and the political process was completely opaque. Now I have a dude…

I moved from a PR country to a FPTP one (Canada) and my experience is exactly the opposite - as a left-leaning individual in a conservative ward, there's no way for my vote to ever count. But yeah, now my interests are directly ignored by a dude with a newsletter, an email address, and an office.

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Post by busterarm »

anonporridge wrote: post #420
avgDev wrote: post #384

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I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

There is not and never has been any place on Earth where being poor and sick doesn't suck.

But at least in the US, if you can afford the treatment, you can get it.

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Post by threeseed »

swat535 wrote: post #293
throw0101d wrote: post #196

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> […] ought to go through the laws and court system. The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act And there were court orders: * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 * 2022 ONSC 1001: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022... ; https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/doc…

And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.

If you're going to talk about the law then words absolutely matter:

Abusing a law is not by itself unlawful. You always need to actually do something unlawful.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

lbrito wrote: post #266
whalesalad wrote: post #199

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Is there an ELI5 that explains all of this from a-z? As an outsider I can't help but think people are being hyperbolic about it.

Mostly partisan propaganda. The "Canada is broken" slogan is by no means organic; it is a carefully executed propaganda piece. The conservative leader is very good with punch lines and communication in general (and is maybe a bit too proud of it - e.g. he has a "Justinflation" plaque in his office; a term that he coined). There are problems and people want them fixed. That is always the case. In a short couple of yea…

I do think the "Canada is broken" slogan works because there are some concerning issues and trends, but people need to realize they're decades-old trends that present politicians had little to do with.

I worry about Canada, but I don't care much about Trudeau's involvement, nor do I think any politicians in the race can do much about it.

It's tricky. I don't want to contribute to propaganda at all, in part because I believe it's manufactured by and serves the conservatives primarily, and I don't see their leader as anything close to a solution. Yet I don't want to pretend things are fine. Our economy doesn't look like it's on the right track, and the underpinnings of it seem to be corroding and failing. We're a very extractive, resource-intensive economy with very few new ideas, very few inventive or innovative programs or people, and little potential for making sweeping changes.

So, broken? Not really, and not more than most places. Canada is still incredible in so many ways. But on a good track? Utilizing our potential? Will my kids experience as healthy of an economy and society as I did at their ages? It doesn't seem like it, no.

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Post by WorkerBee28474 »

toasteros wrote: post #309
Dakizhu wrote: post #292

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What’s dreadful is the rising cost of living and lack of affordable housing, which he failed to address. Moreover he doubled immigration during a time when the average Canadian was struggling to keep up with rising expenses. I’m pro-immigration but not at an unsustainable rate. Housing construction was not keeping up. Trudeau pushed beyond the limits of pro-immigration policy. If it was just conservative propaganda,…

The immigration system we use today was set up by Harper. I'm an immigrant myself, having moved here on a Harper scheme, but under Trudeau. You are absolutely right that this wasn't addressed by the current government, but it is a policy of the previous one. The only reason he alone is being blamed is because he happened to be in charge for a very long time. It is likely to remain unaddressed satisfactorily under PP,…

> The only reason he alone is being blamed is because he happened to be in charge for a very long time.

No, he was in charge when it got bad. A policy that doesn't harm the country one decade can harm the country the next. And it did, so the one who chose not to repeal it, and rather to make it much worse, gets blamed.

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Post by lbrito »

3vidence wrote: post #404
lbrito wrote: post #266

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Mostly partisan propaganda. The "Canada is broken" slogan is by no means organic; it is a carefully executed propaganda piece. The conservative leader is very good with punch lines and communication in general (and is maybe a bit too proud of it - e.g. he has a "Justinflation" plaque in his office; a term that he coined). There are problems and people want them fixed. That is always the case. In a short couple of yea…

I feel like its sentiment like this why the liberal party is heading for a historic collapse. "Everything is fine, just cancel disney+" Like young people are struggling... really badly and it seems like the government has done everything they can to make it worse. Most people I've met really don't Like Pierre Pollieve (myself included) but to say the current governments ineptness is propaganda is actually insane.

Well, that wasn't my comment at all. I was specifically stating that the "Canada is broken" rhetoric is largely propaganda. That is very different from saying "everything is fine".

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Post by selimthegrim »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #35
billfor wrote: post #22

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Yes it's the first time in a long time that a member of the Castro family has not run a major government.

These days they apparently spell it Castreau.

I suppose the meme is still going around about Pierre Trudeau being cucked by a certain foreign leader?

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Post by Mistletoe »

99_00 wrote: post #412
karaterobot wrote: post #40

I'm having trouble learning anything from this stream of disconnected, time-sorted tweetlike objects. I'm posting this on the off chance that a better article exists, and someone can point me to it. I assume it's too early for that though.

Canada has no term limit. Leaders stay on until they have lost the support of their party. Often that happens after a devastating election loss. In this case it is happening because of his extreme unpopularity before the election and his parties hope of improving their election prospects under a different leader

Have they ever thought of implementing a term limit? I’m confused why they think that is not necessary.
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