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Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by shilgapira »

oflannabhra wrote: post #146

I really like Joanna Stern, and how she approaches reviews like this. I’ve watched her review, The Verge’s, and MKBHD’s unboxing video. However, the best review I’ve found that actually transmits what is possible and what it is like to use is Brian Tong’s 55 minute review video: https://youtu.be/GkPw6ScHyb4 I’m not familiar with him, but unlike other reviews I’ve seen, he spends less time evaluating or summarizing, a…

I started watching the video, and at 0:40 he asked Siri to "close all my apps". At that point my own iPhone's Siri enthusiastically explained to me how I can close all the apps on my phone.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by JKCalhoun »

Johnie wrote: post #424
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

Reminds me of iPhone 1. Everything you've said is reminiscent of the reviews of the first iPhone.

Or the first Newton.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by bastawhiz »

abaymado wrote: post #423
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

"Want it for entertainment? people want to enjoy photos, videos, movies with other people and it can't include them. Even if they have a Vision Pro, I haven't yet seen any sign of ability for multiple people to do these things together." This is not accurate, FaceTime has Share Play. Any app that leverages it can build a synced entertainment. Example out of the box, Apple TV, Freeform, Apple Music. I wish the SDK for…

I think OP meant you can't include other people _in the same room_. If I want to watch Netflix (well, Apple TV, since Netflix doesn't have an app yet), my partner is completely out of luck if I do it on an Apple Vision. Unless he too has the money for one and we FaceTime each other to sync up our watching experience.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by HDThoreaun »

jdietrich wrote: post #308
progbits wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used a rowing machine with a VR headset (I don't recall which model, it was a few years ago, but probably some Oculus). It was fun for a few minutes but not really usable for serious exercise: - It's heavy and annoying (and this apple product seems even bulkier and heavier). The cable situation is also not great, you need a lightweight cable and ceiling suspension to keep it out of the way, but this is solvable.…

>I've used a rowing machine with a VR headset I really don't think that's the best use-case for VR - if you're doing some kind of virtual rowing, a flat screen is going to offer most of the experience with none of the downsides. VR fitness is really about games that are fun in their own right and happen to be physically active. There's a big cohort of people who hate exercise and would never set foot in a gym, but wh…

Heavily disagree. Just like running outside is generally more enjoyable than on the treadmil, so is rowing. VR rowing would allow you to row through basically every major city on earth, over Niagara falls, and all sorts of other scenic spots.

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Post by schmorptron »

methodical wrote: post #163
steelframe wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article for the post I linked? I don't care about the data it captures on the wearer. If you're inclined to hand over all that telemetry on yourself to other people, I don't know what to tell you. I care very much about the high-resolution cameras it has pointed at me. I don't think that's okay.

Unfortunately no I didn't read the article you linked, I still don't see how this device collects any additional data over what is already available for other devices in the Apple ecosystem. Anybody who has used a Mac, iPhone, or iPad has had HD cameras pointed at them. To clarify, my point with this comment and my first one was never that data collection (and as far as I can tell mass surveillance as well to you?) w…

I think GP's point was that it normalizes having cameras pointed at other people at all times while you're wearing it or similar devices.

I see a much bigger issue in this regard with the meta ray ban sunglasses, since those will actually be worn by people outside. We already have cameras pointed all around public spaces, but this device category will increase that coverage to near ubiquity long-term.

When you are in the presence of someone wearing this, you're being captures by 4 or more high-res cameras, in 3d, whether you want it or not.

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Post by jedberg »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #314
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

I wonder given all this... what the expectations are at Apple from a higher up/board/executive standpoint are Most of Apple offerings are good: Watch iPad Mac iPhone services Are they really expecting this to just be a hard problem initially that they get better at over time? When is the last time they launched a "so so" product?

> When is the last time they launched a "so so" product?

All of them! The first version of the iPhone, iPad, iPod, watch, AirPods...

They all had similar reviews. "Seems like a tech preview, not really ready for general use, too expensive", etc.

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Post by ekianjo »

Johnie wrote: post #424
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

Reminds me of iPhone 1. Everything you've said is reminiscent of the reviews of the first iPhone.

the price is quite different though

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by jsheard »

filoleg wrote: post #346
jsheard wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amusingly the XTAL 3 MR is only slightly heavier than the Vision Pro despite all the glass it must have inside to produce that FOV.

Yeah, but XTAL 3 MR has zero standalone capabilities and requires being tethered to a rather beefy PC to function at all. From their own page, the very minimum requirements for the PC are 32GB RAM and an RTX2060 GPU. And that’s a minimum, so I am not sure how well it functions with those specs.

True, but the Vision Pro also outboards the heftiest part of the standalone support components, the battery.

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Post by makeitdouble »

abaymado wrote: post #423
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

"Want it for entertainment? people want to enjoy photos, videos, movies with other people and it can't include them. Even if they have a Vision Pro, I haven't yet seen any sign of ability for multiple people to do these things together." This is not accurate, FaceTime has Share Play. Any app that leverages it can build a synced entertainment. Example out of the box, Apple TV, Freeform, Apple Music. I wish the SDK for…

A note on the sharing part: the number of people living alone is double digits percentage [0] in the markets Apple care about.

That might not be their primary goal, but the device could appeal to that demographic either way if the other features are appealing enough.

[0] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4085828-a-record-share...

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by YoumuChan »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #358
electroly wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Maps falls in that category. Maps was bad when it came out but after years of effort (and a lot of money), it's pretty good now. That was no small feat given how good Google Maps already was when Apple Maps started.

In my area (Long Island), Apple Maps works great (better than Google Maps). I hear that it falls down, in rural areas, though. [ edit ] Looks like I pissed in someone’s cereal. Didn’t mean to, but different strokes, and all that… I was just recounting actual personal experience, which, I suppose, isn’t popular, hereabouts. Just for context, I have been writing Apple programs, since 1986. I am totally committed to the…

I gave Apple Map a second chance after hearing good things about it recently.

But it gave me a route where I need to turn left right after taking a right-turn ramp, except that the left turning line are separated by road dividers before the exit of the ramp. So I would need to either go wrong direction and do a 180, or bulldoze the dividers. As a comparison, Google Map never gave me that route in the past.

This happened in a moderately sized town so I guess I will still stick to Google Map for now.

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