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Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by spogbiper »

GeekyBear wrote: post #114
spogbiper wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure how Apple can make watching movies in VR that much better than they are already on the Quest series and other existing VR headsets. And as you noted it doesn't seem to be a popular use for those devices. Maybe the higher resolution on Apple's headset will win people over?

> I'm not sure how Apple can make watching movies in VR that much better than they are Apple is already making it's own 3D content. For instance watching a concert shot in 3D with spatial audio may be something that people find compelling. Certain artists, for example Taylor Swift, have fans who are well known to be willing to spend a fortune to attend her shows in person with high end tickets running $750.

I tried some of the 3d concerts that Quest recorded a few years ago.. it's a neat trick but Apple will definitely need to do something different to make it compelling

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by wtallis »

tunesmith wrote: post #7

One of the aspects of the device that has been under-realized is that when mirroring your desktop/laptop display to the AVP, you can't break out its applications into different areas. You can't pull them away from the desktop window. This is one of those things that Apple never claimed was supported, and yet there's something about that behavior that feels like such a natural intuitive implication to the technology t…

Streaming an arbitrary collection of windows instead of a single finished, composited framebuffer increases the bandwidth requirements by at least an order of magnitude. That's never going to work well over WiFi.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by ephemeral-life »

vaylian wrote: post #86
spogbiper wrote: post #58

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The Microsoft Hololens demos included some examples of this. It certainly looked interesting example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIsjVaqdNpc

Speaking of the MS Hololens: Is it still a thing and is there a community of 3rd-party developers around it? It showed a lot of promise when it was released.

They pivoted to military applications and I haven't seen much news about it. It looks like something out of the futuristic call of duty games. It looks super cool, but apparently soldiers didn't like it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Visual_Augmentati...

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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devit wrote: post #105

It seems that a lot of basic information is missing in the review: 1. How does it compare to an high-end monitor for text editing/programming, web browsing, watching non-VR video, playing non-VR games? Is it better or not? 2. Is the resolution, latency, FoV and lack of color fringing good enough for it to be indistinguishable from reality in both passthrough and VR modes? If not, how exactly far is it? 3. Can you run…

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Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by steelframe »

methodical wrote: post #97
steelframe wrote: post #64

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What types of data exactly are you implying that this device may capture that would be any more extreme than the data which would be captured by any other existing Apple device? I would think the Apple Watch alone has the ability to capture more data about habits and personal information than the Apple Vision Pro possibly could, considering its countless additional sensors on top of its existing ecosystem integration…

Did you read the article for the post I linked?

I don't care about the data it captures on the wearer. If you're inclined to hand over all that telemetry on yourself to other people, I don't know what to tell you.

I care very much about the high-resolution cameras it has pointed at me. I don't think that's okay.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by SirMaster »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #92
deergomoo wrote: post #54

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> I've read the resolution for that is weirdly low, QHD This is something I've been wondering about. The Vision Pro's displays are 4K per eye, for the entire field of view. The monitor I'm sitting in front of is 5K, and takes up quite a bit less than my full field of view. Surely the virtual Mac screen (and everything, I guess) is gonna be substantially lower resolution than traditional high-DPI screens at normal vie…

It’s going to be presented as a 5k Retina display to your Mac, with a 2550x1600 at 2x rendering, downscaled somewhat to a bit over 4k of so. Therefore it will appear kinda like a retina imac. 27 display but not quite as sharp.

Seems like it would be less than that though?

Depends on your typical FOV to your monitor.

If the headset manages to be 4000 pixels wide, but that is filling say 110 degree FOV, then if your virtual display is 44 degree FOV, it's only going to be represented by about 1600 pixels wide. 4000/(110/44) = 1600.

I wish we knew what the actual resolution of this headset is and what the FOV is.

They say it's 23 MP total, so if the screens were square that would be 3391x3391.

If the FOV is 100 and our virtual screen was 50, then the screen would be 1695 pixels across.

And finally you lose some effective resolution because of the nature of the virtual screen being not aligned perfectly with the headset's panel. Since your head would be slightly askew in relation to the virtual monitor due to head tracking.

https://kguttag.com/2023/08/05/apple-vision-pro-part-5a-why-...

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by spogbiper »

vaylian wrote: post #86
spogbiper wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Microsoft Hololens demos included some examples of this. It certainly looked interesting example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIsjVaqdNpc

Speaking of the MS Hololens: Is it still a thing and is there a community of 3rd-party developers around it? It showed a lot of promise when it was released.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/13/23871859/us-army-microsof...

Apparently they are still making them for military purposes

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by KolmogorovComp »

For me the two takeways from the various reviews are that:

- The Vision Pro is the best VR set that can be done today, with massive investment (rumoured 5e9 USD) and competent staff, and hefty price. It is miles ahead of the competition.

- It’s still not enough for most if any practical use, apart from films maybe. The technical requirements for a really useful VR are still largely out-of-reach, and will be for at least the next 5-10 years.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by robin_reala »

zeusk wrote: post #139
robin_reala wrote: post #112

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On number 3, definitely not.

You can always make an app to stream H265 content from any device :) Windows even has support for IndirectDisplayDevices - I'm not sure how openXR or SteamVR handles those, however.

That gives you a flat video presumably, not a VR game.
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