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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

kccqzy wrote: post #183
zitterbewegung wrote: post #154

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Can’t they support RCS but still have iPhone users blue ?

Yup. That's exactly what I predict Apple will do. RCS messaging will still have green bubbles. And it will continue to have the same psychological effect as SMS green bubbles do today. I think that's also why GP said there won't be a decline in iMessage usage.

The important thing (to me) isn't the bubble color, but that conversations between Android and iOS users with RCS won't degrade media down to Game Boy Color quality. At least, that's what I hope the outcome of this move is.

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Post by zchrykng »

f33d5173 wrote: post #382
madeofpalk wrote: post #365

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iPhone messages app - where iMessage appears - is already interoperable with every other phone. SMS!

Sms is not end to end encrypted

Neither is RCS without Google’s proprietary additions.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by code_duck »

jhatemyjob wrote: post #413
code_duck wrote: post #105

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I’ve had a couple girlfriends in their 40s mildly judge me negatively for having an Android phone, but someone who would take that seriously enough for it to affect their relationship decisions is someone I’d rather not be involved with. Maybe it would be better to text people with a “beater” Android phone as a test for how shallow they may be, like the semi-cliche of a financially well-off person driving an old truc…

It has nothing to do with finances. You can buy a perfectly good used iPhone for less than $100. It has to do with taste. Not wanting to date a guy with an Android phone is like not wanting to date a guy because he's a Weaboo.

Based on what I’ve read on reddit/lemmy lately, some people still have the impression iPhones have an air of exclusivity from being more expensive. I agree that of course this isn’t true, though perhaps it was 12 years ago.

As far as your second point, well… I guess that’s precisely the attitude I was addressing. I definitely don’t agree that a phone brand is as strong an indicator of personality traits as the example you offer. If I was say, hiring a UI designer, I’d perhaps care about their choice of OS. For relationships, I don’t really care if they’re passionate about mobile phones. I understand that most of us on HN are keyed in to tech and UI. The average person, though, sees a phone as a utilitarian item, and owns one as a means to accomplish specific tasks. That way of thinking is like, if someone was a mechanic and thought poorly of a someone they met because they drove a Ford instead of a Mazda and the mechanic believed Mazda had more elegant engine designs.

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Post by flashback2199 »

commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

> the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google

Why would you want to use another messaging app? Your data is more safe with some randos than Google?

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Post by mr_toad »

rgbrenner wrote: post #116
bastard_op wrote: post #53

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It wasn't the carriers, it was Apple mostly winning the race in creating their walled garden, and everyone else being disinterested in an alternative in the phone race wars. It's now some badge of shame Apple users discriminate against the blue vs green windows if a friend or relative doesn't have an i-thing, and Apple loves it all the way to the bank.

What do you mean it wasn't the carriers? SMS revenues to hit $67B - 2007 https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/metric-sms-revenues-... They used to love using SMS to take as much money as possible from their customers. Imagine texting "Hey" to a friend and getting charged $0.20 for it.

I remember those days. You didn’t text ‘Hey’, you did your best to cram a whole conversation into 160 characters.

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Post by eek2121 »

spiralpolitik wrote: post #352
hbn wrote: post #121

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This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…

That's the trap door in this. Apple is going to implement RCS exactly as the specification says it should be implemented, no more or no less. Any incompatibilities with Android will be laid at Google's door to resolve. Having beaten Apple with the RCS stick for the last year, Google might find themselves now getting beaten back.

I am okay with this.

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Post by TerrifiedMouse »

lxgr wrote: post #162
ceejayoz wrote: post #150

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If you had wifi at home/work/school, you could send and receive without incurring any data usage at all.

True, but at least in the case of iMessage, that would also mean not being able to text all while not within Wi-Fi coverage (since Apple absolutely refuses to let people actually send an SMS to a number it considers to be participating in iMessage).

> since Apple absolutely refuses to let people actually send an SMS to a number it considers to be participating in iMessage

Are you sure? I remember iMessage falling back to SMS if for some reason it can’t get through on iMessage.

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Post by matwood »

spiralpolitik wrote: post #352
hbn wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…

That's the trap door in this. Apple is going to implement RCS exactly as the specification says it should be implemented, no more or no less. Any incompatibilities with Android will be laid at Google's door to resolve. Having beaten Apple with the RCS stick for the last year, Google might find themselves now getting beaten back.

Apple also stated they would work to add encryption to the RCS spec, poking Google in the eye with their proprietary model. Of course this might not ever happen, but it's still fun to see big companies taking jabs at each other.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by nu11ptr »

danaris wrote: post #294
spiralpolitik wrote: post #120

The lede is quite cleverly buried here. Key sentence is "We will be adding support for RCS Universal Profile, the standard as currently published by the GSM Association" So no end to end encryption and the bubbles will most still likely be green. Even with the mutterings about improving security etc it's unlikely that the GSM Association will ever sign off on any encryption scheme that isn't weak or backdoored.

To be clear, based on what I've read: "no end-to-end encryption" simply means that Apple is not going to either a) develop their own, proprietary E2EE system for RCS, or b) pay Google for theirs. And good grief, get over the bubble color thing. Of course RCS isn't going to have blue bubbles; those specifically indicate an iMessage message. Maybe they'll be green, or maybe they'll be purple, orange, or red, to differe…

> And good grief, get over the bubble color thing

I agree it is stupid, but there most definitely is a "status thing" going on with the whole green vs. blue as well.

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