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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by 8note »

lbwtaylor wrote: post #361
jmull wrote: post #56

> the green bubble shame set to end I'm betting the non-Apple bubbles will remain green... and remain a bit stigmatized. It was never about the resolution of pictures and even technical limitations around group chat was just part of it. It's a social thing and the technical protocol is incidental. Dr. Seuss probably explained it best in The Sneetches.

>>It was never about the resolution of pictures and even technical limitations Sure, to some degree, but I'm not convinced all or most of the shame is only the iphone cachet -- the quality is incredibly bad, like shockingly bad. It's unusable, particularly for videos. As those things change, I can't help but feel like the shame moderates. But I don't have a teenager, so I don't have that perspective first hand.

I could see apple still downscaling and compressing videos and pictures that don't come from apple devices

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Post by f33d5173 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #365
hedora wrote: post #357

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A corollary to that lesson is to not support RCS. I'd have much rather iMessage only open up interoperability with E2EE platforms like signal or even Whatsapp (because Facebook is somehow the lesser evil in this corner of the privacy world).

iPhone messages app - where iMessage appears - is already interoperable with every other phone. SMS!

Sms is not end to end encrypted

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Post by MBCook »

Spooky23 wrote: post #202
danielbln wrote: post #193

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So weird reading this from the transatlantic sidelines, where noone cares one little bit what device a message was sent from.

Nobody does, it’s a bitchy trope. Green bubbles matter in group chats. You can’t easily change participants and stuff like reactions generate junk messages.

It’s more than that. Videos and pictures sent via SMS absolutely suck because they were designed for 2004 era quality standards.

I agree RCS will stay green. It will have text, good quality media, maybe read receipts.

And that’s it. No E2EE or other extensions. Apple is fixing one issue (bad media quality) and taking away a disingenuous Google talking point. Perhaps this is also an argument to legislators that they don’t need to open iMessage.

They’re never going to go out of their way to make it preferable in any way.

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Post by MBCook »

no_wizard wrote: post #149
rgbrenner wrote: post #97

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Reminder to everyone who wonders why WhatsApp and iMessage won: US phone carriers used to charge $0.10 to $0.25 per message. Yes, it was as ridiculous as it sounds. There used to be news articles about kids racking up hundreds of dollars on their phone bill. Here's one from the same year the iphone was released: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/0...

While its true that SMS used to cost per message (and outrageously at that) unlimited SMS/MMS (AKA, unlimited text) plans were cheaper (and on some carriers, predate) than unlimited data, often being only $10 a month or so as an add-on. Unlimited talk & text plans were relatively common as well. In the EU for instance, the reverse was true. Particularly, unlimited data was cheap and affordable, where as SMS was quite…

Sure it was $10/line.

iMessage was free once you had a smartphone plan.

And no, smartphone plans didn’t automatically come with unlimited SMS. I had to “upgrade” for that.

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Post by MBCook »

fyrn_ wrote: post #376

Probably related to https://www.engadget.com/nothing-phone-2-is-getting-imessage... Or at least they may have moved the announcement forward

I doubt it.

Also I don’t know how they’re doing that, but I’m more than willing to bet Apple will make sure it doesn’t work very long at all.

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #311
AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #67

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> The cable industry did the exact same thing. Kinda but not really. The cable providers were and continue to be hamstrung by the networks who force the cable providers to buy channel packages. Cable never had the leverage to, say, tell Disney that they only want to offer ESPN but not the 10 other Disney branded networks being offered. It was often all or nothing.

And carriage fees are not at all related to the cable companies refusal to adopt or accept OTT solutions. They could have still offered the same shit they offered coax but you know, over a web browser, without requiring you be on a home network from an ISP also your cable producer (Comcast), or on whatever device you want (Comcast, Charter) all to save the stupid extra box fees that they lost anyway. People didn’t qu…

"It isn’t actually cheaper to cut the cord"

No idea what kind of poor purchasing decisions would lead to that. You can't get any form of cable package for less than $150 a month last time I checked. I don't pay anywhere near that for Internet + a couple of streaming services.

Oh, and the $30 a year or whatever for a VPN.

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Post by inferiorhuman »

rickdeckard wrote: post #187
hbn wrote: post #121

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This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…

RCS is still standardized and maintained by the GSMA, of which Google is a member. Google acquired Jibe in 2015 in order to get their RCS server and client architecture (Jibe was a leader in shaping the RCS-Standard). Everyone can make his own app, it's just that he would need to develop a whole RCS-client for it to interact with (Google's or carriers') RCS-Servers as well. So what is missing is Google offering their…

  RCS is still standardized and maintained by the GSMA
Yeah. And that version of RCS is prone to wild incompatibilities and still lacks E2EE. The only way carriers have figured out how to interoperate with each other is to adopt Google's server and client.

https://www.engadget.com/att-starts-using-googles-jibe-platf...

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #292
Apocryphon wrote: post #277

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What if there was more competition in the space, and there were operators of that didn’t gouge quite so much.

There is. But the nature of popular media is that it is desired by the populous. Lots of cheap places and venues have no name bars with no name musicians and singers playing all the time. But if you want to see someone that appeals to the whole populace, then you will have to compete with the whole populace.

Nope. Pearl Jam basically proved that TicketMaster is a monopoly.

TicketMaster is a textbook example of a consumer-harming monopoly, and yet they have gone unprosecuted for decades. No excuse.

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Post by MBCook »

wombat-man wrote: post #79
crazygringo wrote: post #60

What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...

Sms will be green, RCS a different shade of puke green.

I don’t know, that seems overly complicated and I don’t think Apple would want to do that.

I think they’re quite happy with “iMessage“ and “everything else“.

RCS will stay in the second bucket with the same green color.

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Post by carlosjobim »

sbuk wrote: post #268
jasode wrote: post #245

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> I get your point but how is Ticketmaster not a parasitic price-gouger? Ticketmaster isn't the true price-gouger. It's actually the artist + promotor + venue that collectively set the high prices. Ticketmaster is just the administrative computer system to implement the high prices that the artist/promoter/venue want to charge. For example, top artists can negotiate to get 105% of ticket's face value from the concert…

Ticketmaster merged with LiveMaster, a promoter and venue owner/operator. They are the promoter + venue in your equation and have a global monopoly.

They don't have any global monopoly.
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