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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Are you sealioning me?

I think it’s kind of naive to think a company that gets 80% of its funding from Google is going to go out of its way to protect you from the same company or that it won’t implement the same proposed DRM standard when it already implemented the older one.

But if firefox is full of tech to prevent privacy leaks? They incorporated a vpn, strict mode, containers, third party cookie block, dnt, etc.. what the fucking hell are you talking about?

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Exactly. Also, if some anecdata can help change a mind: Firefox is a really good browser these days. I use it quite heavily, and it hasn’t disappointed in the last three or so years since I switched from Chrome. About the only use case I still need Chrome for is for sites requiring experimental web APIs not supported by Firefox, such as Web USB or Web Bluetooth. Site compatibility for everything else, including very…

I switched to Firefox for the idealogical reasons above and was pleasantly surprised to find that it was a net improvement. The only site I have compatibility issues with on desktop is MS Teams and even then it's only for voice/video calls, everything else works fine. Firefox Android is a slightly less happy place. The password manager doesn't work very well (am moving away from the built-in one) and I can't log in o…

Interesting. Firefox android works great for me, but Firefox windows gets very slow on my machine. I don't use their password manager on either, though, so I can't attest to that.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Future web will require you to have certified browser - Chrome ™, to access the web. It will require certified OS Windows™, running on trusted Hardware TPM™, running trusted firmware CIA™. You'll have no choice and your love will be mandatory. This won't stop malware of course. However a skull clamp will be installed to monitor your thoughts and you will be zapped if undesirable thoughts are detected. Note: it's a hy…

Can Google really do this? What if I'm using Safari on OS X, or Firefox on Linux?

Then you're out of luck. That's the whole point.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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post #267

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Not great if your bank arbitrarily decides Linux isn't a supported operating system, for example.

Wouldn’t this just mean I should change my bank?

I just believe that imposing this cost and inconvenience on Linux users (in this example) would be a bad thing.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…

I don't like Google's grasp on so many vital parts of the web but somehow, it seems like google is actually in trouble. AI is going to completely change search if it hasn't already, and google is not even close to compete in this space. Video has some massive competition from the likes of TikTok. Anyway, YouTube isn't the only option on the market. Gmail is still popular but since google has been pressuring users to…

Except increasingly the world will access it via drm aware browsers because their banks require it, and the open web audience will subsequently dwindle.

The Halloween memos called this "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Google didn't just ignore the moves that provided M$ dominance.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Tech-literate folks really should make a concerted effort to move to our own darknet, something like freenet or I2P, to recreate the internet before the advent of mass adoption of smartphones by the public. Forums, IRC, vent/TS, webrings, XHTML 1.0. No WebGL. No Canvas. No WebAssembly. No damn WEI. Normies can f&$% off and enjoy the data-mined, DRM'd, ad-infested, CCP-propagandized, upload-your-photo-ID-to-post-here,…

While I like this idea, starting from the foot of "CCP-propagandized" based on the tiktok service hosted by Oracle in the US is an amazing way to start off on a Nazi infested foot. Anti-communism and fascism are historically in lock-step. No one is going to use the services if you basically create web4 stormfront.

China is nationalist authoritarian state capitalist, their external propaganda isn’t to spread Marxist ideology, it’s simply anything that helps China and hurts everyone else, same as any nationalism.

“What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale.” Network, 1976

Further, free speech must be defended despite the modern liberal tendency to cut off the majority’s noses to spite nazi faces. If you’re gonna fight nazis, fight nazis, don’t throw out fundamental human rights. They know they can taint principles, signs, and symbols with their stench. Don’t give up essential freedoms out of guilt by association. These charlatans have no political theory, no examined ideology. It’s a power struggle and we’ve already ceded too much power.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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I feel like I have to repeat this, since so much is at stake here, where it is about the preservation of the web as we know it today, at the peril of having it turned into yet another walled garden: The only way around the dystopia this will lead to is to constantly and relentlessly shame and even harass all those involved in helping create it. The scolding in the issue tracker of that wretched "project" shall flow l…

Corporations will dismiss all of that as asshole Luddites, and do it anyway. You're not Google's customer. The advertisers are.

The only way to stop Google from treating the Web as their own OS is to take that power away from them, by switching to other browser engines.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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The same way the non-theoretical Firefox business makes money. edit: Safari as well.

By showing ads from the “AdSense Company” and sending your personal information to them? Meet the new boss…

Sure, but on the positive side, the Chrome Company has its own incentives.

Today, Google can provide Chrome as a loss-leader, making up for the "free" browser with ad revenue.

The new Chrome Company can't operate that way. It needs to make money on its own. Perhaps MS Bing offers more money. Or they build their own ad system. Or pivot into some other business area.

Anyway, I don't think anybody is arguing Google/Alphabet must be broken up, only that it's a tool that's available in the US, should we (society) decide other regulation is insufficient.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Yes, but this will be an uphill battle. Every campaign must be financed, so every politician must effectively be vetted by monied interests. The same monied interests that we see here on a strategic offensive against the rest of us. Regulators will tend to be sympathetic to them, not us, until things get really bad. Is EFF still the place to send money?

I think so. I don't know of any better.

Are they actively pursuing WEI? Is there anyone who is?
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