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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by kcplate »

King-Aaron wrote: post #396
Loquebantur wrote: post #359

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Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

What is interesting to me is that I don’t see any angle where the government isn’t lying or not fully divulging what it knows about this topic in some fashion.

Whether aliens, not aliens, our own tech, whatever…there is value to the government creating deception, misinformation, and disinformation.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by WatchDog »

kypro wrote: post #279
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

The only thing aliens love more than the USA is to troll fighter pilots and military bases. Somehow despite all of the cameras and tracking technology these vehicles and locations have, the aliens still manage to avoid being caught on camera and only make their appearance obvious to a few first-hand observers.

There have been some ufos caught on camera by us military aircraft[0].

No evidence of them being alien in nature.

[0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/us/pentagon-ufo-videos.ht...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by glenstein »

nonethewiser wrote: post #421
anon291 wrote: post #403

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No it's really not fantastical. We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people. I mean if you told someone the CIA did mind control experiments in the 60s they'd think your nuts. But we know today with certainty they did, often with tragic consequence. So, the bayesian priors, given that in…

> We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people That’s true. And I would even say a CIA psyop is more likely than aliens. But its still purely speculative.

Right, and evidence free indulgences into fan fiction speculation about the CIA etc etc are unnecessary detours.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by no_wizard »

Alright HN, we all know that this is likely untrue, from a rational angle, and this thread is full of reasons why, but play this mental exercise with me for a minute:

What if its true? What repercussions would having alien technology have on civilization? Would this fundamentally change beliefs? Influence religion?

EDIT: someone pointed out to make this more stimulating we need constrains, assuming the following is true:

The UFO is likely "rogue" in that it was off course, pilot dead, and we are not currently engaged in hostilities with this other civilization

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jay_kyburz »

tedivm wrote: post #236
tikwidd wrote: post #220

We now know that exoplanets and the conditions for life abound in the universe. Where the conditions for life abound, the null hypothesis ought to be that life abounds. In discussions of alien life and intelligence, we are often biased by earlier states of knowledge about the universe and our position in it. When we first started digging up dinosaur bones, we came up with fantastical notions of creatures to explain t…

Knowing that life may be common is a lot different than knowing that intelligence is.

Yes, but the universe is so mind mindbogglingly vast. So many galaxies and so many stars!

It just doesn't seem right that what happened here didn't happen somewhere else.

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Post by mlhpdx »

eek2121 wrote: post #387
tialaramex wrote: post #348

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Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

There are unexplained bugs in my software, but I’m pretty sure they weren’t the work of aliens.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by breck »

anon291 wrote: post #403
glenstein wrote: post #399

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>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.

No it's really not fantastical. We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people. I mean if you told someone the CIA did mind control experiments in the 60s they'd think your nuts. But we know today with certainty they did, often with tragic consequence. So, the bayesian priors, given that in…

If you define aliens as a long separated branch on the tree of life with significantly more advanced technology, then alien encounters are more common in history (hawai’i in 1790’s being most recent i can think of).

So mathematically its rare, but perhaps an experience of 1% of societies . And perhaps strongly correlated with one branch undergoing a rapid technological advance.

i think it’s perfectly rationale and not fantastical, as long as its kept in mind that its a low probability event.

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Post by nopal »

no_wizard wrote: post #434

Alright HN, we all know that this is likely untrue, from a rational angle, and this thread is full of reasons why, but play this mental exercise with me for a minute: What if its true ? What repercussions would having alien technology have on civilization? Would this fundamentally change beliefs? Influence religion? EDIT: someone pointed out to make this more stimulating we need constrains, assuming the following is…

Geopolitical Implications of a Successful SETI Program

https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.15125

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by twobitshifter »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #377
thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

If their ship that came here and crashed ... I guess I'm not too worried about them.

Could have been intentional and likely unmanned

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Post by woodruffw »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #415
woodruffw wrote: post #141

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To an alien without our particular brand of 21st century capital ethics, I'm not sure that the US is winning Civilization Earth.

Advanced aliens may be even more capitalistic.

Someone should let the Singaporean cranks know, then!
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