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Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Post by balls187 »

greggman3 wrote: post #389
balls187 wrote: post #373

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Prices are based on what the market will bare. In 2004 I spent part of my honeymoon in London. At a pub, I paid £10.95 for a burger. At the time it was ~$2 to £1, so it was effectively a $20 burger. My friends thought I was full of it when I said I paid $20 for a burger.

Paid $20 for a burrito and a coke in a dive taqueria in the SF mission. Just a few years ago that would have been under $10. Curious if they give a discount to the local Latino population who's average income is fairly low.

Was just telling my girlfriend—the nice thing about inflation is hotel restaurant prices haven’t yet caught up.

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Post by notch656a »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #426
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #225

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I am fairly sure that trafficking in stolen goods is only a crime if the person knew, or if a reasonable person should have known, that the goods were stolen.

And many people at Amazon surely do know that they sell stolen goods but decide to do nothing about it

And many people who buy from Amazon know Amazon must happen to sell some goods that are stolen, yet they still shop there. If everyone had to cease buying/selling because they know their counterparty must have some stolen goods then trade would literally ground to a halt.

I don't know if it's a crime if it's just "somewhere we must be buying stolen goods, but we don't know where." I'm not a lawyer but I think knowing that the specific item you bought/sold was stolen would look differently in court than just having some vague knowledge there must be stolen stuff somewhere in the supply chain.

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Post by taolegal »

standardUser wrote: post #112
Vaslo wrote: post #100

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What punishment do you suggest then? The unacceptable answer is none.

The fact that the only solution you see is "punishment" is exactly the problem. No reasonable punishment will stop these crimes. Period. And unreasonable punishments, like locking a human in a cage without rehabilitation for years of their life, only make the problem worse and cost us a ridiculous amount of money (and humanity). So maybe take a step back, or five, and think about the causes of petty crimes and why th…

Punishment is about desert, rooted in morality. A sin/crime/misdeed just definitionally deserves punishment.

Read The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment by CS Lewis [1].

The other position is that humans need to be cured of their problems. At which point the "humanitarians" who arbitrarily decide these things, basically will endlessly torture people into conformance. They medicalize justice. With the permission of their own conscience, they will cure people of things they may not even regard as a state of disease. Of course these "diseases" are a subjective matter. What some people regard as unpleasant ways to live, others don't.

[1]: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ResJud/1954/30.pdf

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

Target’s cameras have facial recognition. They can even identity people by gait. When these people return to the store, they can probably tell with some level of confidence they previously robbed a target. Why not stop them from entering? Or try to inconvenience them significantly?

Drop a bag of slime on them as they exit? Make the floor slippery as they try to run out? There are smart people working at target; they need to be less shy about protecting their store, which is an American treasure

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Post by cortesoft »

RussianCow wrote: post #379
prepend wrote: post #361

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The first result on Amazon searching “men’s deodorant” is 4 for $15.66 [0] so less than $4 per stick. These are about $10 in a bodega or cvs in Manhattan. [0] Dove Men+Care Antiperspirant Deodorant With 72-hour sweat and odor protection Extra Fresh Antiperspirant for men formulated with vitamin E and Triple Action Moisturizer | 2.7 Ounce (Pack of 4) https://a.co/d/dR2J1B0

But then you have to buy 4... So not exactly an apples to apples comparison if you only want one.

It's not like it goes bad, you will use all 4.

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Post by yadaeno »

standardUser wrote: post #152
robertoandred wrote: post #120

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Why not? They’re a danger to society otherwise.

If a person steals some makeup from a drug store, what danger do you face? What exactly is the danger you feel you are in?

The danger is sliding the Overton window so that society becomes accepting of theft, which makes life objectively worse for everyone including the thieves.

Look at things like food deserts for an example of why allowing high theft is bad. Crime is so normal in these areas that its not even viable to bring in food in exchange for money.

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Post by tomxor »

Manuel_D wrote: post #207
el_nahual wrote: post #177

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To further underline your point, if the chain is (thief)→(amazon)→(end user) then the fence isn't "anyone with an Amazon" account: the fence is amazon .

Isn't the chain: (thief) -> (fence) -> (Amazon) -> (customer)? If a fence sells his wares in a bazaar, the bazaar is the fence? No, the fence is the fence the bazaar is the marketplace.

An even more perverse chain is: (thief) -> (fence) -> (Amazon) -> (delivery) -> (thief) -> (fence) -> (Amazon) ...

At least it's Amazon losing money then rather than Amazon benefiting from crime against competitors.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

hellfish wrote: post #376

There's a simple solution to this: just leave, and take your taxable income with you. If a jurisdiction can't do a basic function of government, why the fuck would you want to perpetuate the administrative disease any further? Paying taxes to these jurisdictions is like enabling an abusive relationship

New York is where the jobs are. Just leave and get another 200k job as a banker where?

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Post by kube-system »

bradleyjg wrote: post #362
Spooky23 wrote: post #196

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There used to be a pretty active market in selling clearance stuff on Amazon and eBay.

Amazon knows that the deodorant it’s selling is not discontinued or clearance. It knows Old Spice isn’t giving some mom and pop a better wholesale deal than the world’s largest retailer either. There’s no legit reason for there to be “other sellers” for that product, or really most any product it itself sells.

Amazon barely knows who is listing products on their site, whether the products are even legal, and sometimes they can’t even tell what a “product” is.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/15/tech/cpsc-sues-amazon/index.h...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/07/amazon-mails-postcards-to-se...

https://slate.com/technology/2021/12/amazon-listings-wrong-r...

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Post by zdragnar »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #110
LAC-Tech wrote: post #86

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So you need military, not police?

One prevalent narrative in NYC is that there’s an epidemic of people being pushed onto the tracks. We need more police in the subway to prevent this from happening. I was in Singapore recently. Most people there take the subway. Yet no one gets pushed onto the tracks. Why is that? It has nothing to do with cops — you rarely see them on the subway there. Instead, they have a wall between the platform and the tracks. S…

So we should use public caning and ramp up the use of the death penalty for illegal drug possession?
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