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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by mountain_peak »

neilv wrote: post #247
Angostura wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most trivial complaint I've ever read. I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles - it just means that it hasn't been sent via iMessage - if I send to an iPhone and sending falls back to SMS it looks just the same. I can't believe people get that upset about green v blue.

> I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles Besides the other issues... as soon as I heard that adolescents and teens (i.e., hyper-self-conscious, wanting group acceptance, figuring out social status) would be appearing differently in chats with schoolmates, based on whether they used Apple or non-Apple... that sure is a way to sell them Apples.

Another comment alluded to this, but small-minded people will always find a discriminant - toys, clothes, shoes, hair, height, weight, university, degree, house, cottage, trips, car, yacht, private jet, donations, endowments, and so on. Explore what your heart says to, make, buy and enjoy the things you love, and don't sweat the 'bullies'.

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Post by Rackedup »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

That is just ridiculous.

I don't get random spam on Matrix/Element... it even handles video calls and more...

Do you get spam calls on your iphone?

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by inferiorhuman »

dataflow wrote: post #352
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

> I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. I got the impression RCS de-facto depends on Google servers in some way. Can someone confirm if that's the case?

RCS doesn't inherently depend on Google servers. However Google doesn't see eye-to-eye with anyone. The carriers want their own version of RCS and Apple doesn't want to deal with it. Of course it's easier to get clicks by bashing Apple than by holding the carriers accountable (or supporting your own deprecated messaging platforms).

https://pocketnow.com/why-you-should-probably-avoid-googles-...

Google has exactly zero credibility here. Look how many messaging platforms they've created and killed off. Who's to say Google won't kill off RCS when they get a chance?

https://killedbygoogle.com/

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Post by thayne »

selectodude wrote: post #323
InitialLastName wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “standard” tied to a phone number subscription that brings along all the retrograde privacy nightmares of Big Telecom since the bell system broke up. Is there a way to make an account with Apple that isn't tied to a mobile phone number? If so, I've never been able to find it.

You don't need an Apple ID to use iMessage. Just an Apple device.

The question was about phone numbers, not apple id.

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Post by Sunspark »

dataflow wrote: post #352
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

> I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. I got the impression RCS de-facto depends on Google servers in some way. Can someone confirm if that's the case?

Google's server with Jibe Mobile only exists because the carriers weren't doing anything at all and they needed to have something that worked for everyone.

If Apple implemented support, they would have their own server, they wouldn't use Jibe or the carrier's.

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Post by kelnos »

otterley wrote: post #21

Apple, pointing to all the happy children in the iMessage pool: "nah, we good, thanks"

Which is why regulation needs to step in. The "free" market has failed.

> happy children

Are they, though? Sure, if you're an iPhone user and everyone you know is an iPhone user, things are great. But once one person uses Android (or, god forbid, a feature phone), your experience gets much worse. No more E2EE, no more read receipts, no more typing notifications, no more reliable delivery and message ordering, no more sending videos at a watchable resolution...

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by JoBrad »

throwaway27727 wrote: post #304
lostgame wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This point is a fallacy. Prior to the invention of iMessage - (iOS 6?) - all iPhone texts were this colour of green . It was the same no matter who you texted. This means Apple never intentionally designed the green bubbles to be more difficult to read.

I seem to recall the green being a few shades darker (so there was higher contrast)

I don’t think it was a darker green, but the text was black until sometime around iOS 7, I think?

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Post by shmoe »

kelnos wrote: post #116
altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's difficulties and goals here (assuming this spam problem is actually the reason, though I'm skeptical that there aren't also self-serving reasons that…

You don't think Google can blacklist apps?

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Post by shireboy »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

The gist of the article has been a soapbox of mine for years. We wouldn't stand for "you can only send Gmail email to other Gmail users" (Fidonet people know), and shouldn't settle for similar with messaging. That said, this spam angle is an aspect I hadn't fully considered.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by unknownaccount »

altairprime wrote: post #302
kelnos wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell, they could charge a token amount for un -secured devices, which I imagine could make things prohibitively expensive for spammers. I would (grudgingly, because the whole thing is just stupid) pay 3 bucks a month or so to be able to message iPhone users from Android without dealing with unreliable message delivery and ordering, and photos and videos pixelated to hell. I have a ton of barely-recognizable videos of…

I don’t expect Apple to ever allow unsecured devices into the iMessage network.

iMessage worked fine on Jailbroken iOS devices since.. always.
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