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Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Post by Ekaros »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #429
Ekaros wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that isn't wanted, why even bother with having separate states in first place? Just place everything directly under federal government. You could even get rid of all other levels.

I think it is an important question: what are states for. I don't mean the historical sequence of circumstances that led us to have the system we do, but why we might or might not want them. Why not just designated administrative districts of a federal government. One thing that Trump's presidency has taught me however, is that, despite the shenangigans of some of the election apparatus in individual states, it was m…

On other hand the election fraud that lead to election of Biden might not have been possible with stronger central government. Just think of same rules through the country. No postal voting. Mandator IDs from central database, updated live based on movement of citizenry.

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Post by kokanator »

watwut wrote: post #402
kokanator wrote: post #300

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This is a VERY bold statement to make without citing any sources. If for instance you were to look across recent world history you will find many communist ( left ) groups/factions are exceedingly violent toward civilians and account for millions of civilian deaths.[0] In this country very recently, "...New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio... blamed anarchists and "far-left extremist" groups, including antifa, for inci…

Gotta love how you responded to contemporary risk of violence in America with link to ... great purge in Russia in 1938. And a link that does not shows left wing as more violent then right wing. Also, I said majority and I stand by that. The terrorism in USA is more likely to go from right wing then from anything else (including muslims). It is right wing media and politicians who promote violence. It is right who is…

Again, no sources.

The point is not that it is coming from one side or the other but rather to blame one side is to loose site of what is happening. My post was simply to show there is violence all along the spectrum. The post following my post regarding Anti-Communist mass executions is a good example of bringing balance to the conversation with evidence/sources.

If you are to "stand by" your statement then provide some evidence.

>Communists are not getting votes I feel the Communist Party USA would like to differ. [0]

Furthermore, marxist/communist voters since "1988 to present: Voters urged to support the Democratic Party"[1]

Therefore, your statement about fascist ( not sure your intended meaning ) can be said about marxists/communists. Event the communist party wants you to vote for Democrats.

[0]https://www.cpusa.org

[1]https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/government/elections/pr...

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

t_mann wrote: post #248
dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote: post #197

Whenever I read this trash I wonder who is pushing the narrative. Is this writer even an American? What does he have to gain by fomenting a narrative that Americans want to go to war? Who's in his back pocket? Americans need to wisen the fuck up that so much of this "America divisive, we disagree so much, civil war coming" is manufactured. Especially in the age of GPT-3 where it can be as simple as telling an AI bot…

Take off your tinfoil hat, Science is one of the most respected academic journals in the world, and it is a US-based publication (its twin is the British journal Nature , together they form the pinnacle of academic achievement). This specific article is about a preprint, not a Science publication yet, but do be aware that the organization behind that website has a lot of reputation to lose if they were to engage in t…

"Reputation" is the single biggest problem with academic journals. Arguably the biggest problem within the entire discipline of science.

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Post by the_optimist »

czstar wrote: post #318
the_optimist wrote: post #205

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One can find instances of corruption in any party that has sufficient power. Key members of the Republican Party tried to overthrow the government on January 6, 2021 so from my perspective the Republican Party is the one more deserving of ire. It is clear the Supreme Court is taking an activist stance. One member of the court has pretty much stated he is in favor of overturning previous rulings that granted sexual ri…

I'll assume you're non-partisan and merely naive. An overthrow either looks like a military coup or a color revolution. The color revolutions were run against Trump. If you missed this very obvious fact, you were paying attention at the wrong level.

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Post by the_optimist »

czstar wrote: post #318
the_optimist wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

One can find instances of corruption in any party that has sufficient power. Key members of the Republican Party tried to overthrow the government on January 6, 2021 so from my perspective the Republican Party is the one more deserving of ire. It is clear the Supreme Court is taking an activist stance. One member of the court has pretty much stated he is in favor of overturning previous rulings that granted sexual ri…

Denialism is the shiny new toy among the new aristocracy and their supplicants.

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Post by t_mann »

systemvoltage wrote: post #335
t_mann wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take off your tinfoil hat, Science is one of the most respected academic journals in the world, and it is a US-based publication (its twin is the British journal Nature , together they form the pinnacle of academic achievement). This specific article is about a preprint, not a Science publication yet, but do be aware that the organization behind that website has a lot of reputation to lose if they were to engage in t…

Is there any point where you think we can question Science, Nature, etc? If so, what point would that be? I think trying to reproduce studies or questioning logical fallacies, inaccuracies; quite easily justify criticism of established journals. Especially important when criticism comes from similar experts with high academic achievements.

Yes, anything is always up for critical inspection (pretty much), as far as I'm concerned. If you show me a thorough analysis showing that their content is systematically biased, I'd have a look. Or if you show me that a particular study is flawed. I'm well aware of the massive replication crises in multiple disciplines, and of the fact that this news section is separate from their journals.

But the poster was only questioning the publisher's motives (which I think can't be done without looking at who the publisher is and what their incentives are, which the poster didn't do), without discussing the evidence at hand at all, and without any acknowledgement of the fact that their own reaction to this news might also be driven by what they want to be true.

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Post by giardini »

soco wrote: post #414
systemvoltage wrote: post #335

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Is there any point where you think we can question Science, Nature, etc? If so, what point would that be? I think trying to reproduce studies or questioning logical fallacies, inaccuracies; quite easily justify criticism of established journals. Especially important when criticism comes from similar experts with high academic achievements.

But please do question it! Just calling it, I quote, "crock of shite" does not deserve the name "questioning" by any measure.

My statement was:

"What a total utter crock of shite the posts on this topic are! YC needs to pay better attention to nutball posting on their website."

I was clearly referring to YC posts on this topic. But now that you mention it, the entire source of this discussion is/are also an utter crock(s) of shite.

And I assure you, the term "crock of shite" indicates a serious questioning of the referred item(s).

So, FTFY!8-))

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Post by ako »

frob wrote: post #418
AnnikaL wrote: post #372

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While I agree that harsh restrictions on reproductive healthcare are very bad policy in part for the reasons you mention, pointing this out doesn't seem like a very effective counter-argument to the idea that things are better today than in the past. Prior to the Roe v. Wade decision, which came just 60 years ago, abortion was illegal in all circumstances in all states. Cancer survival rates have significantly increa…

I guess you all in how you define the past versus today. Compared to just a year ago, it's worse. Compared to five ago, it's worse. Compared to twenty ago, it's worse. Compared to fourty ago, it's worse. But I guess if you compare it to when we were all hanging out in trees, it's better.

40 years ago - 1981-1982 was a very bad economic recession: https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/recession-of-19...

20 years ago - 2001 end of the Internet bubble, many people lost their jobs. 2003 the US was waisting a lot of government money on an unjustified war in Irak blaming them for 9-11. Bush unnecessarily destroyed a positive government budget for a war that solved nothing.

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Post by School-Cotton »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #429
Ekaros wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that isn't wanted, why even bother with having separate states in first place? Just place everything directly under federal government. You could even get rid of all other levels.

I think it is an important question: what are states for. I don't mean the historical sequence of circumstances that led us to have the system we do, but why we might or might not want them. Why not just designated administrative districts of a federal government. One thing that Trump's presidency has taught me however, is that, despite the shenangigans of some of the election apparatus in individual states, it was m…

> administrative districts of a federal government

FWIW it wouldn’t be called the federal government in that case, since the country wouldn’t be a federation. It’d just be “the government”.

Re: Half of Americans anticipate a U.S. civil war soon

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Post by ako »

ako wrote: post #438
frob wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you all in how you define the past versus today. Compared to just a year ago, it's worse. Compared to five ago, it's worse. Compared to twenty ago, it's worse. Compared to fourty ago, it's worse. But I guess if you compare it to when we were all hanging out in trees, it's better.

40 years ago - 1981-1982 was a very bad economic recession: https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/recession-of-19... 20 years ago - 2001 end of the Internet bubble, many people lost their jobs. 2003 the US was waisting a lot of government money on an unjustified war in Irak blaming them for 9-11. Bush unnecessarily destroyed a positive government budget for a war that solved nothing.

And 40 years ago a much larger part of the world still lived in poverty, communism was still a big thing ruining the lives of many, and don’t forget the stress of the Cold War. Also pollution in big cities like London or New York was a much bigger problem than today, and overall safety in US large cities was worse than today, lots of crime.
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