seems kinda hypocritical. would be scared to go to mars with this guy.
He’ll be dead before then
SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#432Really soldified my stance that I should never work for a company where Musk is involved.
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#433I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…
Given this is HN, I'm just mildly curious about how people who knew Musk 15-20 years ago view him now. I mean, I know this is tangential, but pg had an essay talking about what a bad idea it was that Musk demanded Windows over Linux when Musk ran PayPal - I just got the sense that pg was never a fan. Do folks view this as "this is an ambitious, hardworking genius whose lack of social constraints due to his success is…
I think people are just upset because he is rich I noticed the amount of hatred for him seems to be directly correlated with how much money he has. If he didn't have money people would just see him as a memey nerd.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#434To those arguing that this letter is tantamount to insubordination and is therefore a fireable offense:
“Insubordination (noun)- refusing to obey orders from someone in authority.” [1]
Unless they had received direct orders not to criticize Musk at all, internally or externally, they are not guilty of refusing to obey orders. And if they had received such orders, that only adds to Musk’s burgeoning reputation for pettiness and immaturity, in which case these are the kinds of orders one could be forgiven for disobeying.
The whole point of the letter seems to have been “Musk’s behavior is detrimental to the company.” This implies that they care about the company and want it to succeed, and that their loyalty lies with it, not with Musk. As well it should. Tesla, SpaceX, etc are (or should be) companies, not cults.
1. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/insub...
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
Turns out speech about working conditions is protected. You can't be fired for sharing your wages, for instance. I would not be shocked to hear that this results in a lawsuit over protected concerted activity.
It is quite a stretch to say that the letter was about working conditions. Working conditions is things like working hours, your physical environment, your responsibilities [1]. The SpaceX letter was basically "Musk is uncouth, and we don't like that". A fair criticism, but nothing about working conditions. The text of the letter can be found at [2], if anyone wants to judge for themselves. [1] https://definitions.us…
Did we read the same letter?
The following passage is one of many about workplace behavior, which therefore is part of working conditions:
Define and uniformly respond to all forms of unacceptable behavior. Clearly define what exactly is intended by SpaceX’s “no-asshole” and “zero tolerance” policies and enforce them consistently. SpaceX must establish safe avenues for reporting and uphold clear repercussions for all unacceptable behavior, whether from the CEO or an employee starting their first day.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#436I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…
Given this is HN, I'm just mildly curious about how people who knew Musk 15-20 years ago view him now. I mean, I know this is tangential, but pg had an essay talking about what a bad idea it was that Musk demanded Windows over Linux when Musk ran PayPal - I just got the sense that pg was never a fan. Do folks view this as "this is an ambitious, hardworking genius whose lack of social constraints due to his success is…
When it was Tesla and the beginning of SpaceX, I was like "Oh, that's cool". I didn't care much more than the surface level and didn't care to look deeper. Since then, he's exposed much more of himself and have caused others to look way deeper.
And it's looking more and more like the doesn't so much run three major companies as owns three major companies.
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#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everybody knows that he's within his rights to fire them. It just throws cold water on all his grandstanding about being a "free speech absolutist". EDIT: Everyone telling me that company employees are different from Twitter are missing the point. We know that. But he clearly doesn't care about free speech "absolutely" when he throws a fit that his employees are criticizing him.
There is a difference between a social media platform user experience and an employee you pay to work. In the first case you are hoping they will use their free time on your platform. In the second place you are exchanging money to get them to do what you want them to do instead of what they would otherwise be doing. If I pay a plumber to fix the toilet and he starts bothering me about ANYTHING BUT FIXING THE TOILET.…
I feel like there's a part of the word "absolutist" that you don't get.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#438I can't imagine trashing my CEO and expecting to keep my job. Maybe that's a Gen-X thing?
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#439Has the title changed? For me it says
"SpaceX fires employees who wrote letter slamming Musk’s “embarrassing” behavior"
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everybody knows that he's within his rights to fire them. It just throws cold water on all his grandstanding about being a "free speech absolutist". EDIT: Everyone telling me that company employees are different from Twitter are missing the point. We know that. But he clearly doesn't care about free speech "absolutely" when he throws a fit that his employees are criticizing him.
Being fired was a consequence of their free speech. Musk has only ever said he believes people should have absolute freedom of speech; he hasn't said people shouldn't face consequences for what they say.
By that logic being banned from Twitter was a consequence of Trump's free speech and the whole Twitter buying shenanigans are pointless.