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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by yokoprime »

gfodor wrote: post #210
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Wow. Just wow. The "radical" US left equals the conservative right in many European countries. While you certainly may think Europe is full of "second tier countries", I think it's time to broaden your horizons. If anything the problem is they are ineffective and are poor at keeping file and rank compared to the GOP. The GOP on the other-hand tries to drive the US towards a ultra-conservative future, erasing the separation of church and state.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by daenz »

evolve2k wrote: post #190
user_named wrote: post #144

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They critized Musk, factually. Musk is not their employer, SpaceX is, but you just proved their point since you believe Musk and SpaceX are one and the same.

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Free speech is about opposing restrictions in the public sphere though. If the employees had made a public letter to the internet (not an internal mailing list), using their own resources (not company's resources), it would be a different situation.

If a guest in your house started screaming at you, it wouldn't be a paradox of free speech to tell them to get out.

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Post by memish »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

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Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by deltaonefour »

reaperducer wrote: post #236
jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

What I think is finally giving people Elon fatigue is his politics. I don't care about Mr. Musk's politics. But I dumped all of my Tesla stock recently because of his increasingly erratic behavior. To me, it demonstrates an inability to make wise decisions. And I can't trust my money to people who can no longer reliably make wise decisions. He's impulsive, and entertaining to watch; but now I will do so from a distan…

This is actually bad investment strategy. Warren Buffet once made a shit load of money because of this.

During a more conservative time... waaay back. A company was doing very well but the CEO had an affair. The public caught wind of the affair and the stock tanked, because people had your exact same philosophy. Those people cared about the behavior of the CEO while ignoring the metrics of the company. Warren Buffet looked at the fundamental performance of the company and saw that it was doing quite well, so he bought it at super low prices.

Eventually the stock price changed and began to reflect the fundamentals of the actual business as people forgot about the behavior of the CEO.

You shouldn't care about his erratic behavior. You should care about the business sector and the overall performance of the company.

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Post by runarberg »

germinalphrase wrote: post #229
gfodor wrote: post #210

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I’ve disconnected myself from the contemporary political back and forth, but my outsider take is that it rather seems like the US left has… mostly accomplished little? What sweeping changes or policy platforms have them ‘off the deep end’? This is an honest inquiry.

This is largely true. The US’s political left gained a ton of traction behind Bernie Sanders. As we know his campaign went nowhere (twice). There are a handful of progressive candidates winning some primaries, but this is abysmal in the larger context. For every progressive that succeeds there is another progressive that fails (see e.g. Nina Turner in Ohio and Jessica Cisneros in Texas). And for every attempt there are 10 non-attempts. And we are even seeing equally many conservative democrats that honestly should belong in the Republican party in the national and state legislators.

Outside of partisan politics the left is seeing some more successes, that is in the broader culture war. This includes broader acceptance of LGBTQ+ rights, calls for immigration reforms, calls for reprimands for centuries of slavery, etc. However these successes are not making their way to the legislator by a long shot, and quite often to the contrary (see e.g. reversal of Roe v. Wade).

And I say this firmly from the left wing of the political spectrum.

Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk

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Post by macinjosh »

I tend to like Elon or at least some of his professed ideas and goals but this is gross. Either there is a culture in his companies where people like this are fired without discussion or prodding or it was a direct instruction.

I wonder if these employees tried any internal avenues to voice their concerns before going open with it? If not, it seems more like grand-standing and the firings are more acceptable. But if internal discussions were ignored this is out of line.

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Post by rajin444 »

germinalphrase wrote: post #229
gfodor wrote: post #210

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I’ve disconnected myself from the contemporary political back and forth, but my outsider take is that it rather seems like the US left has… mostly accomplished little? What sweeping changes or policy platforms have them ‘off the deep end’? This is an honest inquiry.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fannie-mae-freddie-mac-fhfa-hou...

Stuff like this is rampant right now. The left has thoroughly won the culture war.

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Post by sbate1987 »

blocked_again wrote: post #120
nocoolnametom wrote: post #97

Musk may end up being the most influential person to: 1. Electrify our vehicular infrastructure 2. Get humans to the Moon, if not to Mars 3. Accelerate the unionization of Silicon Valley tech workers His approach to remote-vs-in-office work is less that of a data-informed futurist and more that of an autocrat. Just as he's loudly supporting public free speech as long as it's his speech, I predict within a few months…

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jmyeet wrote: post #153

I'm really starting to wonder if 2022 won't be looked back as the year that Elon finally jumped the shark. A lot of people (myself included) really respect SpaceX and I think that's the last pillar on which Elon's reputation stands. Tesla honestly isn't that interesting and there's a real chance it gets eaten alive as other car manufacturers have caught up. The Cybertruck is still vaporware whereas the F150 Lightning…

Given this is HN, I'm just mildly curious about how people who knew Musk 15-20 years ago view him now. I mean, I know this is tangential, but pg had an essay talking about what a bad idea it was that Musk demanded Windows over Linux when Musk ran PayPal - I just got the sense that pg was never a fan.

Do folks view this as "this is an ambitious, hardworking genius whose lack of social constraints due to his success is making him run off the rails, mentally" or is it a case of "Musk has always been more asshole than genius, it's just his 'marketing veneer' that is starting to falter."

I agree, I've always viewed Musk with a sense of awe and amazement ("How can someone have the time and energy to run THREE major companies??"), now I just want him to STFU because what comes out of his mouth/tweet feed is such incessant verbal diarrhea.

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Post by gitfan86 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #234
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Except that it's a flawed democracy in that you only seem to have two choices, with people often choosing the lesser evil, or deciding not to vote anyway because it doesn't matter. "the left" and "the right", or "the democrats" and "the republicans" in essence, is too wide a net. "The left go off the deep end" is also, when you look into it, a fairly small percentage of the wider population. But it feels like people…

Politicians have no accountability. In 2024 Biden will take zero responsibility for inflation and the economy and spend all his time talking about how Republicans are racist.

And Republicans will take zero responsibility for Trump and Jan 6th and spend all their time talking about how Democrats want to force your children to be trans.

In the end no one has any responsibility to do anything to actually make the country better. If Musk could start a moderate party that took responsibility for results I would be on board.

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