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Post by tyrfing »

SoftTalker wrote: post #420
IMTDb wrote: post #337

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> I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important. OP was explicitly comparing car and trains, not flight and trains. If that's the case, then we are more in the context of a "city trip", and Hamburg -> Berlin might not be the most representative case. Something along the line of Hamburg -> Rome is m…

> Most cargo revenue come from transporting freight in the holds of passenger jets. Is this really true? DHL, FedEx, and UPS (and Amazon?) all operate their own freight aircraft. There are also contract freight operators. Most major airports have an entire area that is exclusively for freight operations. Yes some freight does go in the holds of passenger jets, but is it "most" or even close?

Roughly half of air freight is carried on passenger planes.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-10/air-freight-prices.ht...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by dathinab »

april_22 wrote: post #225
kuschku wrote: post #216

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Actually, the Hamburg-Berlin IRE should be covered by this ticket as well, which requires no changes at all.

There is a RE from Hamburg to Berlin?

No you have to switch trains at least once.

Also the travel takes ~4h15m (RE->RE) instead of ~1h50m (ICE).

If your traveling at a time where the RE is not over crowded and you can spend the time well it's okay. If not, especially if the train is overcrowded in parts of the travel and it's really hot it's shit.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Toutouxc »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #351
Toutouxc wrote: post #170

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Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be the…

Prague - Amsterdam by bus 13:30 hours - 120 € Look up Flixbus. It's slow, but cheap.

Somehow that didn't occur to me. It's much cheaper than a train, but it's also a bit slower than a car and it costs roughly as much as the fuel (no wear and tear though). So a bit cheaper overall.

Buuut... I was on a school trip to the UK once where I spent 13 hours on a bus and I remember hating every second of it. Well, we'll consider it :)

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

akie wrote: post #429
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #419

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To which I’m also contributing by driving myself. Those roads aren’t built for my pleasure of driving to the office. They also serve crucial role in supply chains. In fact, those buses are on exactly on those same roads. The existence of those roads facilities convenient public transportation.

These 2.5 billion euros is almost nothing for a country the size of Germany. I mean, it’s 0.1% of the total budget (€1762.4 billion last year). It’s nothing. Are you really getting all huffy & puffy about paying for a scheme that provides transportation to poorer people and helps the environment? And are you the same about all other tiny expenses, or is it just this one in particular.

No, I just said that I paid twice as much as last year for the heating oil and my tax obligations are increasing and this doesn’t benefit everyone. It turned into this discussion.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by seoaeu »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #407
MauranKilom wrote: post #402

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> The more one tries, the more one becomes the source of funding for others while not really getting any personal gratification or gain. It's unfortunate that you can't derive any gratification or gain from your more-than-half of the extra money you make when trying more. But it probably won't help to blame it on less wealthy people commuting to work.

I’m not blaming anybody. I am simply saying that it’s an advantage which isn’t universal.

I could say the same about being wealthy enough not to have to rely on public transportation

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by dathinab »

april_22 wrote: post #149
Scarblac wrote: post #133

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Our Dutch Scouts of age 15-17 also plan their own camps and do so on a shoestring budget, and it turns out that yes you can get from the Netherlands to the Czech Republic with all your camping gear using only like fifteen different German regional trains :-)

Especially for traveling across Germany, this ticket isn't quite useful, however I feel like it is marketed as "free traveling across Germany for a month" which isn't really the case. Am wondering how everything will play out next couple of months.

But if you travel across Germany you still likely want to use public transportation at the place where you come from/go to. Especially in inner cities using car can be a problem, parking can be very limited and/or very expensive. The ticket is cheaper then a 4x-rabat-bundle of "one way single trip" tickets in Berlin and Berlin is by far not the most expensive city wrt. local public transportation.

So even then it's a good deal.

The "traveling across Germany" advertisement is less about "you want to get to place B as far as possible" but more about "you want to travel and see a lot of places eventually ending up at place B" something the DB believes students like to do (if you look at other ads or thinks like the "Quer durchs Land" ticket.

Anyway the ticket is mainly for people which use (or maybe now have to use) public transportation for daily usage (e.g. to/from work).

I.e. the people mostly profiting from it are the people which don't have a lot of money. Which is grate as they are also the people hardest hit by the increased costs of more or less everything.

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

gattilorenz wrote: post #410
belter wrote: post #257

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Now you know why so many still use the car in the Netherlands. "Dutch public transport is the most expensive in Europe": https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/dutch-pu...

> Dutch public transport is the most expensive in Europe" Yes. On the other hand, the comparison in frequency, punctuality and cleanliness between the cheap Italian regional trains and the average Dutch ones clearly favors, and by a large margin, The Netherlands. This might have an impact on the costs :)

Don't think anyone disputes that. What they will say is how Tokyo still one-ups any major city in The Netherlands at a fraction of the price.

GP is still very much right that The Netherlands, while being better, isn't good enough yet for most people to get rid of cars.

>cleanliness

Eh.. they certainly aren't clean here.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by rurban »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #333
smlacy wrote: post #323

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I'm not sure what "Wait at location because there was no better train" means? Are you massuming a 3h40m trip for a specific time-based appointment? I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important.

Let’s say you have an appointment at location 15 minutes away from train station at 9:00 and your train arrives at 7:45. You will have to wait for 1 hour and probably spend this time unproductively and maybe even at extra cost (e.g. you choose to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a restaurant nearby).

If I have an appointment, I'll rather take the train, be rested and have enough time in the train to prepare for the meeting. all the trains have wifi and power.

In Germany the trains are also faster than cars on the Autobahn, even if I theoretically could drive 180km/h. All my travels from Dresden to Berlin, Leipzig or Frankfurt are faster by train than by car. ICE only.

Now with this offer, the slow RE trains only, it's slower than by car, but still more attractive. Just if I have a meeting far outside a big town, and bad connections (say the bus only goes every 30min) and I have to walk 10min, I'll take the car. For my next travel to the Leipzig Kanupark I'll take the car, but all other business and leisure trips are by train. For the last 3 years already.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by gnatolf »

IMTDb wrote: post #337
smlacy wrote: post #323

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I'm not sure what "Wait at location because there was no better train" means? Are you massuming a 3h40m trip for a specific time-based appointment? I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important.

> I think the use case of this kind of train is more similar to a flight with one or more nights at destination, so that the specific arrival time is not that important. OP was explicitly comparing car and trains, not flight and trains. If that's the case, then we are more in the context of a "city trip", and Hamburg -> Berlin might not be the most representative case. Something along the line of Hamburg -> Rome is m…

OTOH, you make it seem like it's super easy to find (free?) parking anywhere near your destination, I'd guess the unknowns about that even out with the blanket assumption of '1 hour to get wherever you wanted to really be'.
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