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When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Anyone who knows anything about Casey Muratori knows that nice and humble are not usually words associated with him. That is not to say the devs he is calling out are in the right. Frankly, I just see a bunch of combative assholes arguing with each other.

Yeah, DHowett's and LHeckler's responses were kind of dickish, but Casey's own words, tone, and attitude aren't doing him any favors either. Casey happens to be right on the technical issue in this case and people are just glossing over all the ways in which he was also wrong. Now, personally, I believe it was the WT Team's responsibility to let it go as they're representatives of a larger organization and as such ho…

"Happens to be right" is kind of misleading here. It's not like he "happened" to call tails on a coin flip or something.

Microsoft has a history of writing unreasonably shitty software, abstracting it to all fuck with ten thousand layers of manufactured complexity, and then claiming the problem itself is hard. Casey was like, no, the problem is actually trivial, and if you just write code in a straightforward way without pessimizing your own code, you can easily get something 100x faster than Windows Terminal. He even wrote refterm to prove it: https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm

No one wants to be told that something they're working super hard on is actually trivial, and that all of their problems are basically self-created. There's no nice way to say that. It's basically saying, "stop doing 90% of the crap you're doing, and the problem solves itself." But it's true and it should be said.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Hi! I'm the person who wrote that blog post. If you have any questions whatsoever, please let me know! English is not my native language and "The solution is trivial" was meant sarcastic. The solution isn't trivial at all, nor is it complete, because solving the corner cases is complex. I'd also like to mention ahead of time that DirectWrite/Direct2D is very fast at drawing western (Latin) text without coloring (>200…

Why did you join this person's discord under a pseudonym? Edit: I ask because if you're taking a pessimistic view of this, here is the rough order of occurrences: 1. You insulted Casey, knowingly or not, intentionally or not, but in public. 2. You join his discord, under a fake name 3. You write this blog post, without credit to Casey (other than "a community member"). I hope you can see how someone could very easily…

I don't your name, pc86, is a real name, too. That's the life of them internet. So much about Pseudonym. So if already the very first statement is that questionable, how can I believe the rest you write had any truth?

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Has anyone got vim to display properly on Windows terminal?

Sure, neovim as well.

Hmm, not sure what I'm doing wrong. It displays correctly in PowerShell. In Windows Terminal, it shows a blinking cursor instead of the box, and it makes it look like the cursor is one to the left of where it actually is

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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He literally implements VT parsing etc. Edit : Also read this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31285723 "We implemented Casey's approach and most modern terminals implement it". You need more proof?

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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He literally implements VT parsing etc. Edit : Also read this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31285723 "We implemented Casey's approach and most modern terminals implement it". You need more proof?

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Quoting from the author of the blogpost:

"We actually took the same approach Casey suggested... A lot of terminals implement it that way." [1]

I guess authors of a lot of terminals are trolling you.

From the refterm README: "VT codes for setting colors and cursor positions, as well as strikethrough, underline, blink, reverse video, etc." [2]

And, to begin with, Windows Terminal was horrendously slow even without VT codes. Also, for context, [3]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31285723

[2] https://github.com/cmuratori/refterm

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31285339

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Quoting from the author of the blogpost: "We actually took the same approach Casey suggested... A lot of terminals implement it that way." [1] I guess authors of a lot of terminals are trolling you. From the refterm README: "VT codes for setting colors and cursor positions, as well as strikethrough, underline, blink, reverse video, etc." [2] And, to begin with, Windows Terminal was horrendously slow even without VT c…

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Sure, neovim as well.

Hmm, not sure what I'm doing wrong. It displays correctly in PowerShell. In Windows Terminal, it shows a blinking cursor instead of the box, and it makes it look like the cursor is one to the left of where it actually is

Not sure about the cursor being 1 to the left of where you'd expect but the box behaviour is something you need to specify in your .vimrc otherwise it'll use the default cursor for the terminal. Something like this may be what you're used to:

let &t_SI .= "\[4 q"

let &t_EI .= "\[2 q"

You probably also want set ttym=sgr if you want mouse interactions to be sent properly.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

- You and lhecker insulted Casey Muratori - You insisted this was a "doctoral research" (your words) and that he was "misguided" (Leonard's words) - When it turned out he was right, you posted a non-apology (you didn't even name the person you were apologizing to) - A year later Leonard who claimed it was so hard now writes a blog post that "solution is trivial" and was "suggested by a community member". Once again f…

> - You and lhecker insulted Casey Muratori

And Casey didn't? Please take into consideration that Casey's definition of the solution as "simple" can sound quite insulting as well.

If someone stated that something is "simple" with an overtone of "are you blind", instead of showing more humility, I would feel insulted too.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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I know nothing about this fight, let alone having a dog in it. But I'm getting downvoted for understanding English. For my point it doesn't matter if they are in the wrong, if it was easier than they claim, if they are rude, etc. All I'm saying is that the complaint on Twitter is that they now called something "trivial" that they said wasn't simple or easy before. They clearly didn't do that.

They literally did just that. And hid behind "community member suggested it".

You should read more carefully.

They said the trivial idea was a larger lookup table and Direct2D. And then they said that unfortunately the trivial idea doesn’t work. So instead they had to write their own custom text renderer, which they never imply is trivial.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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This kind of tone really doesn't engender sympathy: > We get it, Microsoft sucks, we should all be fired, rah rah rah. > I just don't know what else he's asking for here. Credit? Us to die screaming? The blog post is matter-of-fact, and Casey is right: however, he said himself that it was trivial to do this. Is it not acceptable that we use the same language? Your "apology" really is anything but. If anything you and…

This is Microsoft culture spilling into the real world. There were several times when I pointed out a fix for a flaw or problem we were suffering from and was mocked and told it’s a silly idea that I shouldn’t be wasting time on. Fast forward 1-3 months later and that same person is singing the praises for the same idea someone else “came up with”. Except it was me shopping my idea around. Seeing the tweet and the th…

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