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Post by CamperBob2 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:36 AM UTC

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People are leaving for FL and TX cause taxes you add in the salt deduction change its considerable. Have lived in FL TX and NY. Why hasn't the Biden administration fixed this, by the way? Anyone know? Frankly it's astonishing how few Trump-era policies have been reversed by this administration. When the GOP-dominated Congress acted to remove the SALT deduction, I always assumed it was just a bit of petty electoral re…

Because SALT deduction benefits only go to the top 5% to 10% income households. Democrats do not really have a leg to stand on if they want to push progressive taxes. With the standard deduction at $13k/$25k, only the richest households in the solid Democrat states are affected by SALT deduction caps, and there is no reason for politicians not from those states to compromise on it. Even the politicians from the high…

Because SALT deduction benefits only go to the top 5% to 10% income households.

That's not a reason. Double taxation of individuals is not OK.

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Post by tialaramex » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:36 AM UTC

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> makes me wonder "why now?" Today's episode of the Scientific American's podcast "COVID Quickly" ( https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/the-push-... ) had an interview with Flu pandemic historian John Barry. (The interview is the second half of the episode.) They asked him how he'd define when a pandemic is over, and he said there's a science aspect to it, but it's largely when "people stop paying atte…

That’s contingent on the number of waves being four and the number of years being two though. I have no expectation covid is done. At a certain point you have to pay attention if it’s bad enough. (It isn’t now)

That influenza virus didn't go anywhere, it's still with us, but people stopped caring after the worst of the pandemic.

COVID-19 will now do the same. That's a bad but predictable outcome of short term thinking.

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Post by crossroadsguy » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:38 AM UTC

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This is unhelpful. Nobody gets total control of their time in employment, and some people get a lot less control than others.

Set boundaries. Decide if someone violating them is worth quitting over. It's a competitive market, and frankly - Many of the FAANG companies are terrible to work for. No one is saying you have total control of your schedule - but if I'm consistently asked to take a meeting at 9pm my time... I'll have a meeting with my manager, and it will consist of the following: "I will quit if they keep asking me to meet when I'd…

> Many of the FAANG companies are terrible to work for.

How’s F and G and N (Netflix right?)?

Friend works at G India. Sings paeans . He moved there after 6 months at Uber (where I resigned in a week).

I have always heard shitty things about AA though so I guess that kinda settles it.

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Post by AppleThrow22 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:48 AM UTC

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I left Apple after years of lack of any flexibility on the remote work process. They wouldn't allow transferring to any alternative office for most teams. From what I understood, VPs could protect a small minority of some of their employees if a senior leader made a case to them. Unfortunately, this just seemed to lead to the most politically connected folks going remote and directors friends and favorite hires getti…

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Post by crossroadsguy » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:48 AM UTC

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Put your work hours in your calendar and auto decline everything outside those hours. Refuse that nonsense.

thats how you get PIPed

Just finished 13 months at my new startup employer from USA. Personal time imbalance has been a polite and cold confrontation often and I simply never budged. So much that I’ve got “that reputation” here. It’s just around 400 people across the world.

Delivered my work really well. Was rated 4 out of 5 - 5 being best. No one even mentioned that part of my decision. I am fiercely professional and diligent about my work and product I own in my work hours just like I am fiercely protective of my personal time.

And yes, maybe they need me, maybe they will aks me to leave, maybe they’ll PIP me (that’d ne ridiculous though), something else.

But I’ll not budge. That simple.

With that short incomplete sentence what you’re trying to say is - and I won’t point directly at you, I’ll just try to expand/translate - one is afraid of losing the job and actually more afraid of getting another one, one is afraid of not getting that high a salary, loans/EMIs, etc. You may be right. Or that it’s just like that everywhere (this is not true at all).

So like everything else in life nothing comes free and without risk.

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Post by analogdreams » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:48 AM UTC

sdoering wrote: post #41

dnathi493 wrote: post #5

I left Apple after years of lack of any flexibility on the remote work process. They wouldn't allow transferring to any alternative office for most teams. From what I understood, VPs could protect a small minority of some of their employees if a senior leader made a case to them. Unfortunately, this just seemed to lead to the most politically connected folks going remote and directors friends and favorite hires getti…

Wow. Thanks for the insights. > work at a fast-paced startup and still work on average 10/hours a week less than at Apple. I am always floored by statements like this. I work as a principal data analyst and everything above 40 hours/week is overtime. While I have overtime included in my contract I still am able to reduce overtime (it is still being tracked to ensure compliance with local workers protection laws) if t…

when the overtime is included why not push it to the limit? i once had a contract where deployments were shit shows every other weekend. i signed up for every single one...

on more than a handful of occasions i was able to bill 20 hours over overtime at 2x rate for simply being 'available' meaning my phone was on mute in a deployment support conference call.

they happily paid and i happily pretended to care about their product.

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Post by mulmen » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 3:00 AM UTC

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COVID made my situation worse at Apple. I worked in a satellite office (NYC), and while in the office, most folks in California were reluctant to schedule meetings later than ~2pm california time because they didn't want to keep people in the office late. When we went fully remote, suddenly it seems like any compunctions about that vanished; I would have meetings until 9pm 3 nights a week, I guess because the manager…

> When we went fully remote, suddenly it seems like any compunctions about that vanished; I would have meetings until 9pm 3 nights a week This is why there is a decline button next to the accept button. An outage or something disastrous, sure I'll stay online till midnight to help in anyway I can; a regular status update type meeting, no way.

> This is why there is a decline button next to the accept button.

Depends on your MacOS version.

In Mojave there’s actually no meaningful way to interact with an invite through a notification. There’s a dropdown but it’s not reachable. It only appears if you mouse over where the “x” button should be, which causes the button and dropdown to appear. If you move the mouse off this button both the button and the dropdown vanish.

Also, I’m afraid to click that “x” because I’m still not sure if it dismisses the notification or declines the invite.

And I still can’t figure out how to decline from the calendar with a message. I have to go to my deleted items in Mail and reply to the invite there.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 3:01 AM UTC

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It may or may not have been an option. If you never try it definitely wasn't an option. I have never worked at a FAANG myself, so this might not be something that works in those places. But what I do is to simply put "Out of Office" on my calendar outside of my core working hours. I don't even have to decline. I can honestly say that it was automated and I never even saw their invite. If someone complained about it I…

That no office communication on personal phone has worked wonders for me as well. And my personal numbers is for emergencies only. Not turning up last minute meetings have also worked well. I mean I was shocked but people actually need to be told you’re not available at one ping and then they mend their ways. Start saying yes, it gets worse.

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Post by gjs278 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 3:04 AM UTC

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No, people were always saying it but have only accidentally become correct now due to sufficient vaccination and omicron's lower fatality. The risk of death from COVID is now a bit less than the flu. Note it's still bad, you don't want to catch it. But you don't want to catch the flu either. People who think the flu is nothing are confusing it with a common cold - I got a flu Jan 2020 and couldn't get out of bed for…

Long COVID says hello.

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Post by guiambros » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 3:10 AM UTC

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As someone who left Apple for Google, I can say that Apple was even more stingy for all but the most senior levels, where they were competitive. Their TC could come close to matching Google because the stock appreciation was greater with AAPL than GOOG, but the offer letters had lower salary and usually no performance based cash bonuses when I was there.

It’s funny to read all of these contradictory comments about which company pays better (or is more “stingy”) than others. This comment and the parent comment are saying the exact opposite of each other, but I fully believe each person’s experience. So what explains it? I would guess both commenters got higher offers at the other company because they did so as part of the job search process instead of via the within-c…

> I would guess both commenters got higher offers at the other company because they did so as part of the job search process instead of via the within-company promotion process.

Either this, or they may be looking at the value of RSUs at vesting (vs. at grant date) to calculate their (perceived) total compensation.

In the latter case they may see wild swings depending on how much the stock went up / down since the grant, and have the perception that they are "underpaid" vs. a friend in other company.