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Post by andresp »

kodemager wrote: post #381
randmeerkat wrote: post #266

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This is what crony capitalism looks like.

I think it’s hard to look at what capitalism has become today and say much positive about it. I say this as someone who works in investment finance where we sell semi-rich semi-professional investors the opportunity to become richer by building solar and wind power plants, and selling them when they are fully operational. Which is about as positive as it gets in capitalism in my experience, considering we’re actually…

People who bash capitalism after the last century of expansion should just be considered negationists at this point.

Sure it is not perfect but it's infinitely better than any other economic model available.

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Post by sofixa »

fisherjeff wrote: post #50
jf wrote: post #3

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My understanding is that employers provide this data in exchange for getting access to the database

I’m not sure that’s quite correct. My company doesn’t directly provide this information at all, for example: We use ADP to run payroll, and they’re the ones who have provided my data. This is (I think) more intended as a replacement for the current process a, say, mortgage underwriter uses to verify employment: (1) send email to a company-wide email account (info@company.com, in our case…) saying “please verify perso…

Can't they just ask for a pay stub or a letter from the employer? That's how they do it in France ( a signed and stamped "certificate" from the employer you've worked there since X, last 3 pay stubs and last two year's last ones(which have a recap for the whole year) and it seems to work fine.

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Post by ikiris »

luckydata wrote: post #242
kelseyfrog wrote: post #218

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Not sure if you lurked much before creating an account. This is not my first account - I've been here since 2014. HN took a strong left turn a couple years ago. Before that it leaned more tech, and before that more founder/entrepreneurial. If I had to guess, it comes from this change in user distribution as HN is a decent way to keep a pulse on tech and IC's simply have more labor concerns. (this is a weakly held tak…

I think a lot of tech workers thought they were an elite of irreplaceable specialists that would never experience power imbalance. That's how my peers were thinking (out loud) about 10 years ago in San Francisco, and loudly opposing the mere idea we needed unions. They then started having kids, running into HR issues and all of a sudden everyone got a real harsh wake up call and understood what their real place in li…

It’s still pretty bad. The majority sometimes seems to have a very naive libertarian slant but as people get older they generally wake up from that fantasy as they get screwed over in various ways.

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Post by franga2000 »

inyorgroove wrote: post #295
qbasic_forever wrote: post #201

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At the very least you need to provide proof of your SSN before you start employment in the US (as a US citizen at least). This is required for your social security benefits and some tax info. I believe in most states you actually have to physically show your social security card on the first day of employment now too.

I think you are thinking of form I-9, which is federally required. SS Card is one of may accepted forms of ID, I always use my passport instead.

> SS Card is one of may accepted forms of ID

Are those still as I remember them - with no biometric information (like a photo) and basically no security features?

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Post by stef25 »

Pixeleen wrote: post #299
staunch wrote: post #115

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When I submit the myprivacy.equifax.com validation it hangs at "Processing..." indefinitely. #AbolishCreditAgencies

Credit, bank checking (ChexSystems), and personal information aggregators like Lexis Nexis and Thomson Reuters Clear ought to be abolished or curbed indeed. I hate to bring trans politics into this. I'm sure that's the last thing anybody wants to hear about right now. However we are a class of people whose sexuality can be unfairly identified by these databases.

> However we are a class of people whose sexuality can be unfairly identified by these databases.

What do you mean, that you go through life as a woman but that the DB says you were born as a man (for example) ?

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Post by beembeem »

joeframbach wrote: post #294
hypothesis wrote: post #63

That last link says that data is exempt from CCPA. > The Work Number® database is subject to the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) > Data that is regulated by the FCRA, as well as data used for employment purposes, is exempt from the CCPA.

That sounds wrong. TWN having this data is not a condition of my employment.

Correct. There's no legal requirement to give salary data or any employment data to a private third party CRA.

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Post by DavidPeiffer »

juniorbleh wrote: post #386
bagels wrote: post #349

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Not exactly. It says active or terminated (we switched payroll providers) on my few.

Interesting, does terminated mean that you got fired or just that you generically don't work there anymore (which is used for both when you quit voluntarily and when you're fired)?

In HR speak, terminated just means no longer working for the company for any reason. In this case, it may be a quirk of how the payroll processor switch was handled.

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Post by fallingknife »

randmeerkat wrote: post #270
caconym_ wrote: post #230

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The obsession with "big tech" as the biggest abuser of consumer privacy frustrates the hell out of me, and must be a real delight to credit bureaus, cell carriers, data brokers, fintech parasites, and all the rest of the slimy fuckers who do far worse things every day and aren't even on the public's radar.

Reporting an employee’s salary vs Zuckerberg selling your political motivations to manipulate elections are two different ballparks. It’s not that people aren’t frustrated with other abusers of customer privacy, it’s just big tech is the best at it.

They are 2 very different ballparks in that I would much rather let FB sell my info which I provide willingly than a credit bureau sell my salary history, which I don't.

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Post by DavidPeiffer »

zacmps wrote: post #100
jonahbenton wrote: post #92

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Indeed there is. This is a mechanism design problem- a behavioral protocol problem- not a technology one. That's what web3 is about. And downvoting my question is ridiculous.

I don't have the ability to downvote, it's locked behind reputation (not sure of the exact amount). Show me the problem with an alternative solution, don't preach about supposed benefits.

>I don't have the ability to downvote, it's locked behind reputation (not sure of the exact amount).

Looks like 501 karma required.

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