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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by xenocyon » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really.

The data appear to disagree with you: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2010_homicide_rates_...

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by rkk3 » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #413

slg wrote: post #290

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What evidence do you have for suggesting that a citizenry with guns serves to protect other freedoms? The US generally isn't among the top countries on the various international freedom indexes[1] despite our prevalence of guns. We are usually behind Canada, New Zealand, the Scandinavian countries, and a few other European countries depending on the specific criteria being evaluated. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…

I have a very simple litmus test. In how many countries can you openly (with lots of publicity) organize "Draw a Muhammad" or "Burn the bible" events.

Along that line of thinking it's now illegal to burn the US flag.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

ssully wrote: post #402

tablespoon wrote: post #308

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> Luckily the modern left is the only group of people who let their prejudices dictate their perceptions. I never said they had a monopoly, but I'm not going let them off the hook just because they've got competition. Their displays of that repulsive tendency also clash more harshly with their rhetoric.

Well enjoy your endless conflict, because what you describe as your biggest issues with the modern left is simply a trait (some would call a flaw) that affects all people. I would work on something more concrete when it comes to your issues with a political leaning if I were you.

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #415

bananabreakfast wrote: post #167

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That's absurd. The Bill of Rights is literally a list of changes to the constitution. Any one of them can be changed at any time by a majority of states. You're essentially saying that if the majority of the country votes to change one of the rights, then what? You'll no longer recognize the government as real?

That's absurd. The Bill of Rights is literally a list of changes to the constitution. Which were the price the Antifederalists demanded to accept the Constitution as a whole. Any one of them can be changed at any time by a majority of states. Supermajority, and only after a supermajority of the Congress starts the process or a supermajority of states calls for a constitutional convention. Even then, abrogating any of…

Can you justify or defend your argument in your last sentence? Because I think it's not only wrong, but clearly wrong.

In particular, other amendments have changed part of the text of the original Constitution. How does that not also "abrogate the original deal, making the Constitution null and void"? That argument should apply even more if we're talking about the body rather than the first 10 amendments, shouldn't it? Why do you single out the Bill of Rights as being unchangeable?

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Arrath » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

splintercell wrote: post #390

Maarten88 wrote: post #340

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> In my experience USA lot less corrupt than most other countries. Lobbying overall is a net good thing for a democratic society. You rightly mention lobbying and corruption together. But somehow you miss that they are on the same continuum. From my EU perspective lobbying in the US is corruption, as the lobbying comes with money and paid-for political promotion. The situation around guns itself is a clear example: a…

Please note that automatic weapons are already banned from civilian possession. Regarding psychiatric patients and criminals, this has an exact opposite effect that you want. People are far more scared of seeking psychiatric help when they know that they’re going to lose their rights. This is an open secret in gun community to never mention to a doctor that you have guns, and this is an indirect message to not seek p…

As someone who both owns guns, has a concealed carry permit, and has been in therapy and takes anti-depressants, the pervasive fear about getting red flagged and having your firearms taken away seems like overblown fearmongering.

Can someone point me towards some statistics or reports of such occurrences?

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by AQuantized » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #239

sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

I think there are many rights violated as a result of lobbying. Access to basic healthcare is curtailed in the name of profit, largely as a result of the power of lobbyists. I think this has a very large functional effect on the freedom of everyday people. Even if they have reasonable means they may be essentially forced to continue working for an employer who provides health insurance or risk personal financial ruin if poor health befalls them.

The power exerted by 3 letter agencies is greater than any other western nation in my opinion. They are massively bloated with excess capital and power, and it has allowed them to indefinitely extend their jurisdiction until it significantly overlaps with people's right to privacy.

That said I doubt either of these issues would be much improved without guns. An armed population seems mostly incidental. One downside of focusing on armed resistance, however, is that you can easily delude yourself into thinking you're better protected from tyranny, when in actuality the war is already being lost in courtrooms and political backrooms without a shot being fired.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:50 PM UTC

clipradiowallet wrote: post #382

brodouevencode wrote: post #261

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> face a 5/1000 chance of dying of gunshot wound Isn't that a very high estimation?

It's very optimistic to say the least...maybe the OP was assuming the shooter is just a really poor marksman, or using a BB gun? That said...I'd take being shot by a bullet any day compared to being shot by a modern bow/crossbow. Definitely a better chance of surviving the bullet.

The stat might reflect reality. But reality reality probably includes a lot of people shot in extremities and shrapnel bouncing back from steel targets.

If someone is shooting to stop a threat they're probably gonna have better than 5/1000 odds of permanently stopping the threat.

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Post by beerandt » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:50 PM UTC

advisedwang wrote: post #151

ajay-b wrote: post #64

The entire police force can do nothing for you on the phone. I think it is the reductions in police that are convincing more women to purchase.

What reductions in police? Basically no location has actually defunded their police depts, despite all the talk.

Department policies have caused a surge in resignations and early retirements, with no supply of new recruits eager to step up.

In sense, the movement was successful because it reduced the number of police on the street. OTOH, those places are having to increase their police budgets and raise salaries to replace officers who have left.

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Post by rpmisms » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:51 PM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #136

sharklazer wrote: post #87

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1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. 2. We don’t nuke each other all the ti…

> 1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. I don't know; roller-delayed blowback took me a long time to wrap my head around.

Now take a look at the H&K G11 schematics. It's mind-boggling.

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 9:52 PM UTC

rpmisms wrote: post #321

tengbretson wrote: post #178

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Our F-150 driving rednecks would never be caught dead in those Toyota Hiluxs the taliban uses

That's true, the F-150 is significantly more capable.

I'd encourage the fanboys who are inevitably triggered by this assertion to just compare dimensions and shipping weights on key components. The F150 is a much heavier vehicle all around.