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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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How many revolutions has France had in contemporary times?

They had a military coup in 1958.

wow, so all these fourth fifth republics etc, were they all from a coup essentially?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1958_crisis_in_France

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Genuine legal interpretation question: Why does everyone quote "Shall not be infringed" but ignore "Well-regulated"? If the goal is a "well regulated militia", and therefore gun rights "shall not be infringed", why do we interpret that as "everybody should have largely unfettered access to weapons" rather than "If part of a well-regulated armed force, access to weapons should be allowed during militia activities"? or…

The US Supreme Court held "The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms."[1] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

Separately, "regulate" didn't mean the same thing then as it does today.

Think about the phrase "well-regulated". When has modern regulation ever been described as "well"? And what would that even mean?

The meaning was intended to be somewhere between well-supplied and well-prepared.

Similar to how "regulate interstate commerce" was intended as to encourage and provide-for, not to limit or restrict.

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Comparing Taliban to individual gun owners is next level absurd.

why? The taliban is not like a nation state army, more like a bunch or militias and tribes, each of which is a “bunch of local guys with guns”. As the war has progressed, I imagine they have got more professional, but I’m guessing around 80-90% of their strength are non ideological tribal militias who are very good at figuring out which way the wind is blowing and changing sides. That worked in the US favor in 2001-2…

Supported by military arms from Pakistan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Russia.

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Everyone should own a gun, and most more than 1. If we were to maintain public education (which... just no, please) gun education should be standard.

Strange take. In 40+ years, I've never needed a gun to defend myself. Nor do I even _know anyone_ that needed to use a gun to lawfully defend themselves. So why should we all have something that A) the lawful uses of such are exceedingly rare, and B) ends up involved in a lot of unlawful or unintentional killings.

Same. I've lived in NYC since the tail end of the crime wave in the 90s. Walked past drug dealers 80 times a day when I was younger. Lived across from a supposed crack house in my 20s. I only personally know of two people were attacked on the street in about 25 years. One was sucker punched and didn't even see who did it before they ran off. The other fought off a very scrawny attacker with an umbrella. I've never been on the receiving end of anything worse than an insult. I don't know a single person who owns a gun and I've even seen one that wasn't in the holster of a cop. My number one fear of living here by a mile is me or my family (my kids walk themselves home from school) getting hit by a car.

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

The USA is just as corrupt but the price is substantially higher. With the resources of a business you can almost certainly get away with many things.

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The entire police force can do nothing for you on the phone. I think it is the reductions in police that are convincing more women to purchase.

It's not just that police forces have been reduced. In some major cities police abandoned certain areas to anarchy. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53218448

Christiania has been operating in Copenhagen for generations and that's one of the wealthiest and healthiest cities on the planet.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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> a way to feel masculine, or to feel potent This smacks of the modern left's derision for self defense tools. It's a nicer way of saying someone has a gun to compensate for their genital insecurities. Guns are largely a tool to the people purchasing them. They are also mechanical objects which give pleasure to people who appreciate craftsmanship. I generally agree with your post, but I think it would be better witho…

> This smacks of the modern left's derision for self defense tools. It's a nicer way of saying someone has a gun to compensate for their genital insecurities. One of the biggest issues I have with the modern left is their tendency to let their prejudices dictate their perceptions like that. It's annoying and repulsive, and it should be embarrassing for people who say stuff like they "believe in science."

Luckily the modern left is the only group of people who let their prejudices dictate their perceptions.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Everyone should own a gun, and most more than 1. If we were to maintain public education (which... just no, please) gun education should be standard.

The problem with more guns everywhere for everyone is that there will be more successful suicides, more lethal mass shootings and far more accidents with serious injuries.

Plus, I don't want the same 10-15% of drivers on the freeway who speed and don't use signals to also be guaranteed to own a loaded gun they don't know how to use.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Hypothesis (which I have given about 30 seconds' thought): buying a gun was formerly a way to feel masculine, or to feel potent, or for use in a sport such as hunting or target shooting. In these situations, women found them to have little appeal. Recently, buying a gun is more often because of an actual concern for safety. Women are about as likely as men to feel concern about that. Hence, the numbers are now more e…

> a way to feel masculine, or to feel potent This smacks of the modern left's derision for self defense tools. It's a nicer way of saying someone has a gun to compensate for their genital insecurities. Guns are largely a tool to the people purchasing them. They are also mechanical objects which give pleasure to people who appreciate craftsmanship. I generally agree with your post, but I think it would be better witho…

I see your point, but I don't know another way to put it. It's like "why do men have swords on their wall more often than women"? Neither men nor women use swords in self-defense much anymore (at least not in the First World). But I would venture to say that there is at least a 10x factor of men vs. women having swords on their walls.

By the way, I'm not politically left-wing, and I do have a few swords on my wall (although no firearms).

I could see why you thought it was being said in this way, though. No offense intended; obviously there are many different reasons why a person might own a firearm.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

What evidence do you have for suggesting that a citizenry with guns serves to protect other freedoms? The US generally isn't among the top countries on the various international freedom indexes[1] despite our prevalence of guns. We are usually behind Canada, New Zealand, the Scandinavian countries, and a few other European countries depending on the specific criteria being evaluated.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

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