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Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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This reminds me of Hannah Arendt's criticism of the Boers - which was sometimes taken out of context. She was just pointing out they had become a tribe of bush-wandering savages living off, but not improving the land, themselves. They had no incentive to improve the land; labor was cheap and their own lives were cheap, and they still have made nothing of the country. When I lived in Australia I was really surprised,…

Wow, really suprised to see someone else speaking my mind. I went to Australia, from the US, with the perception that Australia was wild country where people were free and independent. Sort of like if I lived in rural Arizona or Idaho or something. But what I found was an ultra-tedious nitpicky rules and control mindset. Really turned me off. Just surprised to see someone else say similar.

I've moved from Australia to the US and found the US is much worse at nitpickiness.

Sure, you won't get pulled over for going a little bit faster on the freeway in the USA. But in daily life, people much more often will treat you like you're dumb, incompetent, or don't belong somewhere.

A couple of examples came up in recent news opinion pieces (both by Americans who have moved to Australia and, coincidentally, both mentioning swimming):

https://www.smh.com.au/national/where-the-hell-is-he-what-au...

"It went on like that for a while. Praise for the boy. Not a drop of concern. I looked to my right. Baz’s Nippers instructor, Al, a brawny former professional rugby player, was smiling. So were the rest of the Australian parents all around us.

I was confused at first, but I could also see in everyone an exhilaration that reminded me of my time covering the war in Iraq during its most violent months. It had been years since I’d experienced that mix of feelings – the electric shock of appreciation for life, the confidence that comes from transcending danger with others, for something that feels bigger than yourself. And it made me realise that, despite a journalism career filled with hazardous assignments, I still had a lot to learn about risk, not to mention child-rearing."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/77-shootings-within-a-mile-o...

"Taking the kids for a swim at an outdoor public pool in New York felt more like a brush with the penal system. You are not allowed to wear any colour other than white, such is the fear of a poolside eruption of gang violence. Men have to wear bathers lined with meshing, and prove to the guards at the gates they are in compliance; a guard carries out inappropriately intrusive inspections. [...] "Any form of reading matter – newspapers, books, copies of The New Yorker – is strictly prohibited. In all, there are more than a dozen regulations that have to be adhered to – and even if you comply with those, there is the Kafkaesque possibility of being confronted with new ones that have seemingly been invented on the spot."

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

#432

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I don't know what you want me to respond with, what you're writing is a strawman, it's not what I wrote anywhere.

What I'd like is for you to either narrow your category of 'Neocolonialism' in the future or explain you have a minority view about it. The term as it's used today implies the speaker is arguing against it. If your use of the term neocolonialism applies to people 'voting with their feet', then you are either rehabilitating the term or implicitly arguing for serfdom. Neither of which I think were your intent.

I have explained my view on it. Of course it's a minority view because few are willing to admit they willingly and knowingly benefit on the exploitation of those who have less than they do to begin with, but that's exactly what they do.

Trying to say it's either the industrial harvesting of the most skilled people from less advantaged countries, or it's "serfdom" is just outlandish. I don't even know where to start with that!

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Well the US gov fighting it’s citizens would be a war crime. And then hopefully the entirety of NATO would come down on them. A gov cannot use their own military force against their citizens. Full stop. And speaking as a veteran, my willingness to fight would be based on the side my beliefs were based upon. If the order was given to kill US citizens, it was an illegal order and the chain of command has been broken. A…

That's not really what NATO is for and it'd depend a lot on what the actual events looked like. If it's frameable as armed violent uprising/terrorism being controlled then it's much less likely to pull explicit foreign intervention and the prototypical '2A to protect against a tyrannical government usage' will almost definitely fit that bill.

Correct, it depends on the size of the uprising. Further this is still an illegal order to kill US citizens. And with that once the order comes down chaos will ensue in the ranks.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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You’re missing an essential detail, how Australians view the government, Australians don’t believe that the the government is sufficiently competent to be tyrannical, except in small local cases against the powerless edit: we don't believe those in government with the inclination towards tyranny are sufficiently competent. There are individuals, in government in Australia, in the same house even if they're are not qu…

If I were a tyrannical gov and my country thought I was incompetent I would run with it for as long as I could, implementing things like surveillance laws, removing guns, all the while the citizens think I’m incompetent. Until they look around one day and realize Ive build a cage around them.

Sure, but it'll be a shit cage that I'm more likely to get get tetanus from it than anything else. If they buy drone soldier robots from China maybe they could pull it off - provide someone figures out the remote, lots of buttons, but you just couldn't find enough people in Australia interested in being your stormtroopers. Murdoch on the other hand could do it, if we ever stop paying him his tribute, who knows, maybe he will rise from crypt and enslave us all, but as long as we keep showing him with gifts he seems content with merely ruining the joint.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Correct. A conscious decision has been made in Australia to prioritize human life over business profits. What most didn't realize is that by choosing this path we're optimizing both, eg because we don't have any community spread our economy is booming.

Ah so what you view as business profits, somebody views it as a livelihood, way to live does not mean anything? But no its just profits. Sounds like Australia has got ideas from CCP.

So you believe a livelihood is greater than human life? Someone running their own business should be viewed as more important than their neighbor living? Sounds pretty psychopathic to me.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Ah so what you view as business profits, somebody views it as a livelihood, way to live does not mean anything? But no its just profits. Sounds like Australia has got ideas from CCP.

So you believe a livelihood is greater than human life? Someone running their own business should be viewed as more important than their neighbor living? Sounds pretty psychopathic to me.

When is running a livelihood harmful to someone? Your entire premise is based on all businessmen are psychopaths, which is very narrow-minded.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Ah so what you view as business profits, somebody views it as a livelihood, way to live does not mean anything? But no its just profits. Sounds like Australia has got ideas from CCP.

So you believe a livelihood is greater than human life? Someone running their own business should be viewed as more important than their neighbor living? Sounds pretty psychopathic to me.

It will be interesting and funny, when food distribution will be impacted due to people's stupidity, and you will have to resort to growing your own food. Because lockdown for everyone means including those big bulky trucks that fill up the supermarket. Because profit right? Famine, and starvation...
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