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Opera is closed source which means it is not secure.
So Apple iOS, Microsoft Windows, Amazon FireOS, Cisco IOS, Netapp ONTAP... they are all "not secure" because they are not OSS?
Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#432Firefox: Lets remove tab groups, no one uses it Chrome: Lets add tab groups, seems like a good idea Firefox: why are users leaving?.. The constant addons breakage and UI changes, feature removal. I could bare the speed difference, but these inconsistencies are just too much Still Firefox continues to be the best browser in theory
Let's be honest - since the removal of XUL addons, all my add-ons have been working just fine. Let's stop repeating this ... thing - it's long lost its relevance and nowadays it's just a falsehood.
All your addons are not everyone's addons. Some people have different, or more, or more specific addons
There are addons that disappeared and are not possible to do today. And maybe you can do something similar, even if clunkier or slower. But a lot of developers have moved anyway, which created holes in the ecosystem
And just having to go and find replacements was difficult since it took a lot of time for addons to reach parity. And people have a day job to get on with
TreeStyleTab still breaks today, sometimes the side bar disappears or is empty
I had an addon that would highlight all bookmark link in all pages, including google results, and on mouse over would show the tags and description. Can you find a similar now?
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#433Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#434I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…
>I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A browser built for professionals, by professionals. I want a consistent UI that remains stable over time. I'm easily willing to pay for such a browser.
>Firefox used to be it, but I no longer feel like it is. Any suggestions for what to try next?
That's my experience as well. I was using FF from v 1.0 back in 2004. Upgrade to Quantum almost gave me a heart attack because it ruined majority of addons and disabled custom themes. Upgrade to "megabar" was a final straw for me. I've spent ~ 3 hours, but finally migrated to Pale Moon ... and it's like I'm back in 2004. Even Noia theme is working again.
FF, in my opinion, went full circle: from being the most functional and the most customizable browser to being the new IE6. There are no redeeming qualities left really.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-) That 5 people wrote to them?
Yes. It is my sincere belief that very few people notice && care enough to figure out who to contact, how to contact them and actually do it.
You can get a lot more done complaining to the right places.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#436As of July 2021 (according to the linked metrics), ~25% of the displays used are 1366x768px while ~40% of them are 1080p. Yet when the "Proton" refresh aimed to promote usability and while certain level of cross-platform was reached, the increase of padding simply made the experiences of people using displays with "less than optimal" resolutions worse. While the proton's hidden and "unsupported" compact mode had a decent height for a 14" FHD display, the same did not look as good on my 15.6" display with the same resolution. When I complained on reddit like many others about the increase in whitespace, I don't think it was given what I believe to be a proper consideration. Why would the main menu be bigger despite having fewer items? And where are the icons? It was a concern back when it was in nightly and many of the concerns remain now even though it has had a stable release.
Another thing that is problematic is the colour-scheme. The newer style incorporates less contrasted colours and does away with what made the preceding Photon design better in certain ways: look at how the tabs on FF used to have a markedly different colour than their backdrop and how there used to be separators between tabs. The fact that the newer design is a bad one somehow eluded those in charge of it and the fact that the contrast between the active tab and its surrounding elements being low being an important issue is an afterthought is telling.
Moreover, the dropdown for the megabar suggestions used to have full-window width but now it is limited to the megabar width for no apparent reason other than looking "cool" (which it does not btw; especially when you compare it to Chromium's counterpart). They introduced the megabar-expansion-on-focus behaviour, kept a config to disable it for a major release or two and then dumped the old one. Also, when you selected multiple tabs, upon a right-click, it used to tell you the count of selected tabs - which no longer seems to be the case. Needless to say, looking at userChrome.css to be _the_ solution for undesirable changes would not work well for anyone in the long run.
Firefox, unlike Chromium-based browsers, does not support XDG base dir spec. It does not bother me very much and neither does FF flickering every once in a while on my main system. What bothers me is that with each new release I feel like FF is losing bits of its magic. Back when FF Quantum was released and was stripped of what many considered the level of flexibility which appealed to them, I was concerned but ultimately accepted it. But this time around the changes feel like marketing speak. Mozilla already has a discourse instance but post-Proton-release they also have a crowdicity instance...
The way things have been going is genuinely upsetting and many users are just reacting to that.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#437I tried the new version a year ago and restored my TB backup bcs it was so bad. I thought I'd try it again yesterday but man it sucks so bad! No search in history, no bookmark tag support as far as I see, somehow the synced data from desktop doesn't get searched when typing in the address bar, multiple times my entry in the addres bar wouldn't load, the amount of supported add-ons is abysmal. Thats not all but I stop.
My point: If mobile doesn't work it might be one reason people start switching on desktop, too.
I won't. I like to be tortured.
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
Get back the extension API (not the exact same but a modern equivalent). Keep bugging competition authorities to punish Google harshly over the abusive behavior we've seen lately. I'm using Firefox for now but I admit the moment someone forks it and have a good security foundation I'll start using it and donating to it. I'm fed up with Mozilla thinking everything else they donis more important than their main income…
> Get back the extension API (not the exact same but a modern equivalent). Another extension API will solve absolutely nothing.
It is actually slightly more complicated since some stuff depends on the main tab bar being visible (or so they say, my Firefox works nicely even if I disable the main tab bar using a CSS hack.)
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-) That 5 people wrote to them?
Yes. It is my sincere belief that very few people notice && care enough to figure out who to contact, how to contact them and actually do it.
The fact that "but if 5 (or 10 or 50) people wrote them it would have an impact" I'm sceptical about.
99.9999% it would just be ignored. Campaigns with 100s of thousands of people are ignored all the time...
Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019
#440I have contacted local authorities twice about anti competitive behavior from Chrome. If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-) Same if ten - twenty Germans or Brits or French do the same. I would mention: 1. that some of their web properties (calendar and YouTube) have been intentionally incompatible with Firefox as evidenced by how well they work in Firefox if one…
We use Google Meet at work, and I use Firefox. The "Change background" feature was not "supported" in Firefox, then suddenly I could use it so I thought they finally implemented it for Firefox as it was working perfectly. Two days later the feature disappeared, and I keep getting that "your browser doesn't support this feature" popup since.
There's a dev running an experiment to whitelist more combinations of the huge space of (Device, CPU, GPU, OS, OSVersion, Browser, BrowserVersion) to use that feature. What would you do after seeing that the metrics show that most of the users on your experiment had a bad experience? In that case you'd want to rollback your experiment right away and figure out what's wrong. You really expected all, if not most of the combinations you selected to actually work well, but it's apparently not the case.