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Post by tartoran »

adventured wrote: post #401
_y5hn wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anger about what though?

I can explain that one. Stick with me on this dear HN reader, as your gut reaction may be to trigger downvote, but I'm going to actually explain it for real, I'm going to tell you exactly why (I'm not going to filter it for everyone so it feels better or sounds better). Jobs. Opioid deaths. Suicides. Life expectancy. Standards of living. Manufacturing erosion. Lack of a future. Lack of wealth creation. Rural and midd…

These are genuine reasons to be angry but these people are angry for the wrong reasons. While their candidate, Trump, promised to change the political landscape he actually prooved even more incompetent than the former. There are 100s ofreasons which im not going to bother to mention here. He lost the elections for those reasons and also because he was not tearing down the establishment but the nation. I see people comparing BLM with the proud boys and that is the most dishonest thing to do. BLM were protesting about police brutality which affects us all. Proud boys were a rebranding of a radical group who was directly following Trump’s orders.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by edbob »

NineStarPoint wrote: post #278
edbob wrote: post #193

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Access to legal counsel is in a special category. Law firms are expected to represent people accused of the very worst crimes in order to promote a just outcome. It's extremely disturbing that political actions which may be distasteful but could never be prosecuted as crimes in normal circumstances have become a justification to harass law firms until they refuse to represent a client. I say "normal circumstances" be…

Do you have reason to believe that it’s harassment that is stopping these people from getting legal counsel? Many of these people, Trump especially, have shown that they refuse to listen to legal council and will lie for no good reason at all, then throw their legal council under the bus if it seems like it will advantage them. There are many good reasons lawyers might not want to touch the current situation with a t…

I'll give a few quick links, but a quick search turns up dozens and I think you're competent enough to search for yourself. You have public statements of "Yes, going after Trump’s law firms is fair game" and then you have the expected harassment and law firms pulling out en masse. Maybe the client's toxicity is a factor, but that should be the only factor.

[0] https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/11/1... [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/law-firm-drops-trum... [2] https://thenewamerican.com/new-low-democrats-approve-harassm...

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Post by refulgentis »

dane-pgp wrote: post #107
derwiki wrote: post #71

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Latest numbers I’ve seen are 18% https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533452-poll-18-percent-of-...

It's sad that in a thread about the need to believe facts over lies, the one person who brings an actual well-sourced statistic is voted down. Maybe society really is doomed.

I think you might be catastrophizing, it's definitely positively voted now, a mere 2 hours later. In the short term, votes are a Brownian process :)

Edit: this post itself has swung between 3 and -1 over just an hour!

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Post by lliamander »

mushbino wrote: post #296
nelsondev wrote: post #247

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On that note, what specifically from Trump’s speech was inciting violence? “March” != “Riot” This is the section about marching to the Capitol. “ And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to dema…

Rudy: "Let's have trial by combat" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5FfcbpVLNo Trump: The entirety of this speech, but specifically the "fight like hell" part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjYh4tIhVi4 Trump: "Be there, it will be wild": https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-mob-t... This article covers a lot of it too. It's been stoked for a while: https://fortune.com/2021/01/07/trump-speech-capit…

All figurative language that politicians (and non-politicians) use all the time.

Joe Biden literally expressed a desire to physically harm the President, and dramatic, ecstatic portrayals of his death have been shared for his entire presidency.

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Post by TheGRS »

kumarvvr wrote: post #50
e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

One would argue that reasonable people be reasonable. Of course, 1% of trump voters may be giving the 99% a bad name.

Then the 99% are doing an awfully bad job at telling their peers they are wrong.

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Post by TheGRS »

whatshisface wrote: post #310
maroonblazer wrote: post #217

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False equivalence. Looting commercial districts (while objectionable) is not the same as falsely claiming a federal election was stolen and looting the Capital.

Perhaps the people who were looting commercial districts would have looted the Capitol if they were put in the same situation. Perhaps the people who looted the Capitol would have looted storefronts if they had been mad at what they represented. There's one way to look at it where you have a generalized trait of not caring about following the law when you're surrounded by a large group, a trait that some people have,…

And yet they didn't, the Women's March following Trump's election was far larger and didn't lead to this.

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Post by flatline »

adventured wrote: post #401
_y5hn wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anger about what though?

I can explain that one. Stick with me on this dear HN reader, as your gut reaction may be to trigger downvote, but I'm going to actually explain it for real, I'm going to tell you exactly why (I'm not going to filter it for everyone so it feels better or sounds better). Jobs. Opioid deaths. Suicides. Life expectancy. Standards of living. Manufacturing erosion. Lack of a future. Lack of wealth creation. Rural and midd…

All fair points, and yet even in the midst of this we saw white privilege at work this past week when the protestors were, for all intents and purposes, allowed into the Capitol.

These people have been told that their trouble is caused by brown people coming to take their jobs, by affirmative action. They are told that the government is the problem, when in reality so many poor people in the South rely on government assistance just to survive. They look for a cause for their troubles and the right wing media hands them a false narrative.

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Post by tedunangst »

zdragnar wrote: post #187
dieortin wrote: post #81

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You say it like “getting caught in the moment” and assaulting the Capitol is something completely reasonable that anyone in that situation might do.

Too many people are trying to rationalize the polarization of our society, focusing exclusively on the ends and ignoring the means. Remember NPR's puff piece justifying looting? Or (I think) CNN's reporter standing in front of a burning building while saying that the BLM protests were mostly peaceful? (They were, but the not-peaceful bits were downplayed in an obviously biased way). There was another interview I saw…

Did any of the summer looters say "NPR said it was okay" as a defense after getting caught?

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Post by longtimegoogler »

reddog wrote: post #341
donatj wrote: post #160

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MLK said that violence was the language of the unheard. The silenced will turn to violence. That's not surprising in the least.

It makes you wonder what will happen ofter the tech cartel completes its project of silencing half the country.

That's why right wing topics dominate on twitter and Facebook by a large margin.

It couldn't be that the "tech cartel" is concerned about a specific subset of speech designed to insight violence.

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Post by asdff »

whatshisface wrote: post #310
maroonblazer wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False equivalence. Looting commercial districts (while objectionable) is not the same as falsely claiming a federal election was stolen and looting the Capital.

Perhaps the people who were looting commercial districts would have looted the Capitol if they were put in the same situation. Perhaps the people who looted the Capitol would have looted storefronts if they had been mad at what they represented. There's one way to look at it where you have a generalized trait of not caring about following the law when you're surrounded by a large group, a trait that some people have,…

It's one thing to make a run at a pair of jeans when police are distracted to sell on ebay later. That's common petty theft. It's another to force entry into the Capitol when both chambers were in session along with the Vice President to certify election results. That's terrorism.
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