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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by dkonofalski »

ttcbj wrote: post #291

I really wonder where Apple and specifically Tim Cook is in all this. I feel like I see posts on HN almost daily that would warrant one of Jeff Bezos's famous 'question mark emails'[1] from Tim Cook to someone within Apple. But I see no evidence of this. I see no evidence of panic within apple that they have lost the ability to delight customers and anticipate their needs effectively. How often do I see a similar lev…

I think the reason you don't is because there's quite a bit of confirmation bias on Hacker News. The demographic of people using HN is far more tech savvy and technical than the majority of the population so things like this feel like they spark a huge amount of outrage when, in reality, it affects like 0.1% of the population.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by gamblor956 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #217
xurias wrote: post #114

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Can you explain the Microsoft bit? There's an ocean of difference between Microsoft and Apple. You can pretty much pick any MS API from the past 20 years and it'll still work on Windows 10.

Microsoft is moving away from that model. The cost of rapid release cycles for Windows is dropping the testing and compatibility work that was done in the past. You see the impact on a few things like Office and SCCM today. As the legacy windows platforms fade, it will become a thing in other areas. My guess is you’ll see more “fixed in Azure only” scenarios to drive demand for those products, and act as a sales funn…

Microsoft uses (and since 7 has used) automated compatibility testing.

It takes less time to test compatibility than it does to compile.

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Post by depressedpanda »

lilyball wrote: post #72
jdnenej wrote: post #55

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The amount of value steam provides on top of payment processing and distribution is immense. Valve basically single handedly created Linux gaming. Their client is so many years ahead of everything else with the forums, workshop, broadcast streaming, streaming to your tv, gamepad support and gamepad virtualisation as well as a mountain of developer side APIs for things like inviting friends to games. Apples 30% would…

Apple meanwhile created the entire OS and all of the developer APIs that your apps rely on, including things like Metal that games rely on. And Apple gives this all away for free.

Metal? What a monumental waste.

If Apple had done the right thing, they would have opted for Vulkan.

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Post by whatthesmack »

pier25 wrote: post #360

Another problem for the user of all Apple stores (iOS, macOS, books, iTunes) are refunds. In Android you get an automatic refund when you uninstall a recently purchased app. No questions asked. In Steam you can ask for a refund if you have played less than 2 hours and you bought the game less than 2 weeks ago. I've done this dozens of times and in fact being able to refund a game that I don't like gives me confidence…

I've experienced this several times, and it's very frustrating. I know you really can't do anything about it when you purchase with App Store credit, but I'm curious... does anybody have experience with doing a credit card chargeback in such a situation. It would be good to know if that can be a successful means to resolving an issue where Apple puts up unjustified roadblocks.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by jen729w »

mcphage wrote: post #223
jen729w wrote: post #42

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I’ve also stopped “check[ing] weekly for new things”, but that’s because I don’t need any new things! Do you? I don’t have Instagram but I imagine it’s a bit like the App Store. I’m waiting somewhere. I’m bored. I know, I’ll check for a shiny thing. Oh, no shiny thing. That was disappointing. To compare, do you go to the internet regularly and check for new things? I don’t think this is the App Store’s fault. It’s no…

> To compare, do you go to the internet regularly and check for new things? Isn't that what this site is?

But this is shiny new knowledge. God help us if that ever dries up.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by cstrat »

ncr100 wrote: post #53
cstrat wrote: post #2

Firstly I want to say that as a user I hate using the Mac App Store - mainly for all the reasons posted there. There is one large benefit which is often forgotten. When I use the App Store I don't need to worry about your website/database getting hacked or leaking my personal data/credit card information. This is mostly avoided by indie developers using Stripe or some other popular payment gateway, but it is still a…

This could be fixed by your Bank or VISA with e.g. virtual credit cards.

That is true, but nothing I have access to right now (with one of the big 4 aussie banks)

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Post by tekknik »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #208
onion2k wrote: post #71

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Containers are not a magic shield that protects you from all attacks. You should still be wary of what you're running even with the additional protection they offer. For example - https://seclists.org/oss-sec/2019/q1/119

They could be (and are on Illumos and FreeBSD) if only they were designed with that from the start. Linux has always made the mistake of not designing things to be safe and secure from the outset (cgroups/namespaces, btrfs, etc.).

well that took all of 1 minute:

https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-1087

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Post by tekknik »

mkl wrote: post #141
csunbird wrote: post #88

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Just like Apple Store ? (except the part where you can add 3rd party stores)

The apps there can't be vetted by others who want to (like they can for apt etc.). The incentives are totally different: Apple Store is commercial, and Apple takes 30%, hence the part about taking your choices away.

Apple takes 30%, so it’s in their best interest to push as many apps through as possible, yet the process is notoriously difficult. This shows you their motivation is in the right place. A third party can be bought (see Amazon paid reviews) to push something through. We’ve also seen cases in these public, but “vetted”, repos where bad code was pushed without being caught until after the fact (see NPM leftpad)

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Post by t0ddbonzalez »

pjmlp wrote: post #374
t0ddbonzalez wrote: post #301

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I didn't say they created the smartphone. They created THE smartphone - the definitive item.

You mean the were more successful marketing a PDA with phone capabilities? I guess they got something out of Newton.

Yes.

Apple successfully marketed a product which was tested by Nokia engineers and deemed to be inferior.

What part of 'consumers voted with their money' don't you understand?

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by t0ddbonzalez »

p_l wrote: post #352
t0ddbonzalez wrote: post #299

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"...hilariously high cost..." In 2007, the Nokia N95 cost $795 while the iPhone cost $600. Sauce: https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/practical-gadgetry/two-wee...

That's the one time cost for purchase outside of contract... For N95. Not for iPhone, at least not for normal people. The reality in 2008 is that Apple forbid selling iPhone without contract, with contract requiring special extra Apple tax (we already had "unlimited data" for years by then). So you were paying whatever the telco asked you for the phone, then paid extra to Apple as long as you used the "iPhone tariff"…

The cost of a phone bundled with a contract bears no relation to the real-world cost. Depending on your monthly payment and length of contract, you could pay $100 or $500 for the same phone.

In some markets, iPhones were bundled with a contract because networks had bidding wars for exclusivity.

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