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Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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post #291

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"...Google is the destroyer of privacy. Google tracks their users at an unprecedented level in the whole history of humanity..." In fairness, you never had a problem with that privacy invasion before. You still respected them in spite of the fact that they were Gestapo-like privacy invaders. As evidenced by your claim that, "...the fact that Google pulled their search engine out of China, defying their censorship att…

Please stay away from Nazi comparisons like "Gestapo", unless it's actually comparable to actual actions of the Nazis. While Google privacy stance may be reprehensible and worrying, these privacy violations do not, last as I checked, imprison people in concentration camps, torture people, perpetuate ethnic cleansing on industrial scale and murder or imprison everyone opposing them. So let's please keep it in the sani…

Is it really? Google plans to comply with the CCP's censorship and information control plans.

The Chinese government are quite literally putting an entire ethnicity inside concentration camps as we speak.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/china-re-educatio...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/islamic-leaders-have-no...

No comparison warranted? The only thing refusing to compare the nazis to anything does is lets behavior like this thrive.

Re: Google Plans to Launch Censored Search Engine in China, Leaked Documents Reveal

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post #392

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The censorship project won't remain confined to China. Absolutely and directly relevant, as countries that have germinating democracies right now will not continue on the path. If this project gets implemented in China, India is next and I have a right to bring my viewpoint to this discussion. India already loves censorship as it is. Looks like your issue is why India is being mentioned, I have no control over your e…

> The censorship project won't remain confined to China. I agree, but this is not the immediate issue with the current decision being made - as you implied. The immediate issue is the enforcement of the loss of freedom for Chinese citizens.

The move has repercussions far beyond the immediate issue. This nefarious project can't be viewed in isolation with far worse ramifications that will follow. My viewpoint brings that in focus. I still don't know why you accused me "all of my comments are on Hindus", when none was in fact disparaging to Indians or Hindus.

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Do you remember the "Don't Be Evil" campaign? Google literally rose to prominence with this as their slogan. I would expect a company whose slogan is "Don't Be Evil" to completely shun a country who wants censored search.

Funny you should mention that -- https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-dont-be-evil/2540...

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>in general Google protects user data How is storing and cataloging reams of private data 'protecting' it? If your significant other was constantly noting every friend you talked to, every purchase you made, videotaping your every move, would you call that protecting them? To protect a user's data, it shouldn't even be collected in the first place. I think a better choice of words is that Google does a better job at…

People mistake privacy for security . Google has one of the most secure services on the Internet. At the same time Google is the biggest threat to privacy. These two statements are not mutually exclusive. People simply don't get what privacy is about.

Not as secure as, say, Wikipedia. Personal data is far more secure when it's not stored anywhere at all.

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Sure, but the corollary to that is that security is complicated. Do you really expect the average user to have a more secure system than what they would otherwise have. In other words, is a Gmail account more or less secure than what you would have otherwise. I think the answer depends, but it certainly isn't always "less". There's some information that you have to store somewhere, and is having a world class securit…

I'm just saying not saving data is simpler than saving data and avoids the complication. The average user doesn't need 99% of the data that google saves about them and would have no reason to store it themselves. You can have phishing protection and the world class security team while also not saving the unnecessary data resulting in an even more secure model. Protonmail seems to be just as secure without requiring d…

Right. If google were just black hats trying to help everyone with their data security, then OK. But, since they aren't, the mere fact that they have the personal data stored to begin with undermines it's security from the moment of storing it.

I had my car stolen last year. If I had found a note left that informed me it is in a secure place, I'm not sure I would have felt any better. And I'm not sure I would appreciate someone expecting me to.

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post #298

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I think the parent meant that they are very vigilant about not giving access to this data to anybody who is not affiliated with Google. Which makes a lot of sense for both business and privacy reasons - you don't want to let others access your valuable assets, and the backlash for leaking out the data usually is much larger than for just having it. Nobody cared about Equifax knowing everything about everyone until it…

Despite the 15 minutes of outrage-entertainment it provided, it seems no one really cared about Equifax getting hacked either.

Or, more likely, they were simply helpless and realized so from their experience with these sorts of companies.
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