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Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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Then you buffer them. You limit input and output to trusted family, friends and support staff.

Try that some time and tell me how it goes.

Yeah, I get that.

But damn, if you could later change permissions, and then they would forget, that would reduce your risk. It could get confusing, however.

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Deciding who's the victim and who the harassers seems quite subjective. Let's say that I hit the beach sidewalk wearing a leather-sack-style thong jockstrap, an 18" Bowie knife, and roller blades. Right out of Wild Boys . But totally legal. And let's say that I attracted a crowd of critics, who felt threatened, and who threatened me. And supporters. Who would be the victim(s), and who would be the harasser(s)?

When I think of harassment, I think of it as an intentional action. If you did that with the intent to disturb people, I think it would then fall under you being the harasser and others being the victim. But then on the other hand if they intentionally threaten or make you feel threatened, they are harassing as well. My definition based on intent may be incorrect, but I feel as though it makes the argument slightly l…

Well, some of the stuff that people do to make a point about discrimination and harassment is expressly done "with the intent to disturb people". I pulled my example from William Burroughs' Wild Boys. But some of the costumes in gay pride marches come pretty damn close. And hey, it's all good fun. But people need to play safe, avoiding needless risk.

Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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If I'm having a rational discussion with someone who disagrees with me then I'm automatically a troll? I tend to feel the trolls are the hordes of people calling for me to be executed or using nothing but insults instead of contributing meaningfully. Everyone is free to their own worldview, shutting down discussions with "I hope you get raped in hell n*" isn't what I call a different worldview, it's what I call an ar…

The ability to have a rational discussion comes from a place of [typically white, male] privilege, though. If you are being sexually harassed, racially discriminated against, or are otherwise in a psychologically unsafe position, you're not going to be in a position to "back up your opinion with facts" or "explain why you feel the way you do" or even listen to someone who calmly, rationally explains that "he's never…

Well I'm just taking about Not being spammed with loads of shite instead of genuine prejudices as you point out. I have a hard time really understand the race thing as a Brit thigh. I think the colour thing is a predominantly American problem; while I'm sure there is discrimination in the UK Ive never witnessed black folks here getting a hard time any worse than anyone else and Ive lived loved and employed people of different colour to me most of my life and it's not something I've ever had to really even contemplate.

Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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More phones should just come with whitelist support. Where calls will automatically go to voice mail if it isn't on your list. I have this on my phone due to lots of wrong numbers and it works great.

Details puhlease.

I'm late to the party, sorry. But I use an Android app called Extreme Call Blocker. Nothing gets through that I don't explicitly allow to get through. And in the case of unknown/anonymous callers, they don't even get my voicemail: There's a setting to pick up the phone and immediately hang up for whichever callers you want. It's basically the equivalent of just not feeding the trolls. It only costs a couple of bucks, but it's easily the best five bucks (or whatever) I've ever spent for an app.

Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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Trolling is scraping the bottom, stirring the muck up into a net; not quite analogous to luring/baiting, a much more sporting tactic.

No, that's trawling. Trolling is also called longline fishing, with many baited hooks.

I suspect that when troll refers to dragging anything, it's just a spelling and regional pronunciation variant on trawl.

According to etymonline.com, the etymology of "trawl" is:

1560s, from Dutch tragelen, from Middle Dutch traghelen "to drag," from traghel "dragnet," probably from Latin tragula "dragnet." Related: Trawled; trawling.

Now, "troll" verb:

late 14c., "to go about, stroll," later (early 15c.) "roll from side to side, trundle," probably from Old French troller, a hunting term, "wander, to go in quest of game without purpose" (Modern French trôler), from a Germanic source (compare Old High German trollen "to walk with short steps"), from Proto-Germanic truzlanan.*

It's rather related to "stroll". Nothing in the semantics about fishing.

I suspect that "troll" in longline fishing in fact refers to the long line with many hooks being pulled around; i.e. "trawled".

Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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I don't think we can cut off trolls because of free speech. Its not even a good idea as some trolls aren't even trolls, they are just loud. Instead, if personal filters were controlled via browser settings or something independent of the actual provider, you could maintain privacy yet have nice content as well. An AI filter would be a good candidate for that.

Wrong. Most internet forums are privately owned, and thus the concept doesn't apply. Plus, trolling and harassment isn't free speech. Conflating the two is insulting to those who are fighting for actual free speech, in places where they will be arrested for advocating that.

I have a hard time knowing who is a troll as there are times when people become one but not in their normal behavior. I remember recently there was a study on that listed here which was interesting. Also, your negative tone for example could be interpreted as trolling if you put lots of those types of responses, not saying you are of course, but some AI might give you a false positive on extreme opinions.

What I meant was not the person trolling but the person viewing content, just being able to have their own filter, where the filter is not controlled by some 3rd party but under your own so let's say the 3rd party couldn't suddenly remove the option. More about control than privacy in that case.

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Criminal street gang members threatening and dissing each other doesn't qualify as trolling. If we're calling that trolling now then the term has lost all meaning. And that retiring US Attorney didn't cite any evidence of one social media system being worse than the others.

"Trolling: A person who posts inflammatory or otherwise unwanted material on an electronic forum, especially anonymously." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trolling "Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument." https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll&defid=... Provoking gangland warfare to the tune…

For some reason, most of what I'd posted to the above comment (quotes from the letter) don't appear to have made it through. Sigh.

Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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Welp, rather have trolls "winning the internet" whatever that means, than have mainstream journalism "win the internet". All this autistic screeching from journalists, these days, because they are loosing their foothold, lying didn't help win the election and it won't "win the internet" either.

Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say

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The exact same thing could be said about the people celebrating the DNC and Hillary's race to the White house on reddit. An obviously flawed actor with few redeeming qualities, yet still held in high regard in the minds of people on r/politics. The only difference I see on the left side of the divide is lack of humour (which tends to invite trolling).

I don't want to get into a political argument, especially with someone who thinks Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are even remotely comparable. And I say that as someone with a deep dislike of Hillary. Interesting that you think the left side lacks humor. Last time I checked, all parody shows on TV were liberal. What is the right-wing equivalent of SNL?

Name a single good TV parody show.
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