I don't think we can cut off trolls because of free speech. Its not even a good idea as some trolls aren't even trolls, they are just loud. Instead, if personal filters were controlled via browser settings or something independent of the actual provider, you could maintain privacy yet have nice content as well. An AI filter would be a good candidate for that.
Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say
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Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say
#92The real problem is that bytes are effectively free. Here I am, using up your bytes right now. Using up the bytes on Hacker news. The only limit is my own time, effort, and energy. You think this means that we're all equal; we all have equal access to sharing bytes. But the problem is that trolls have infinite time and energy to post bytes. They have significantly more power and influence than you do because of that…
Please give me my bytes back.
Re: Trolls are winning the internet, technologists say
#93Idiotic article.
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#94I don't understand this article at all. I participate in two large professional forums (one for poker, one for development). The professionals are winning the internet there. There are dedicated subforums for trolls and random bs, which are pretty funny sometimes, but serve as an outlet for the garbage. I browse hacker news... It is what it is, I'm happy with it as a content sharing platform. My biggest gripe is the…
You're in the top 1% or 0.1% of filtering for quality, IMO. Go spend some "quality time" on /r/the_donald for a more typical experience.
Nobody is forced to go to "the_donald". What would "the_donald" without trolling supposedly be? I dont know "the_donald", but doesn't the name itself already say "this is for trolling"?
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#95Trolls were always winning the internet. From "RTFM" attitudes to anonymous user accounts. It's a troll playground. Don't get me wrong the internet was built to be/can be an incredible tool, but let's not misconstrue this is a new trend. EDIT: I find the issue with the candor on the internet is lack of context 90% of the time.
Let's not forget that that '03 to '06 era of "Just F*ing Google It".
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#96If we define "troll" as anyone who posts inflammatory, bad faith, needlessly aggressive, insulting, false, or otherwise unproductive content, then the entire class of authors of the genre of news article decrying trolling and harassment are themselves trolls. >Of course, this is already happening, just out of sight of most of us Why would they consider that to be such a big problem, if it's not bothering those who ar…
I disagree with your list. You put "bad faith" posts as one of the things a troll might do, but I think trolling must always be bad faith. I post aggressively, insulting, inflammatory content with some regularity (not proud of it), but it's never bad faith. I'm never doing it "for the lulz". I don't necessarily think I'm any better than a troll in those moments, but it's not trolling.
It's only trolling if you think what you're posting is funny.
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#97I don't understand this article at all. I participate in two large professional forums (one for poker, one for development). The professionals are winning the internet there. There are dedicated subforums for trolls and random bs, which are pretty funny sometimes, but serve as an outlet for the garbage. I browse hacker news... It is what it is, I'm happy with it as a content sharing platform. My biggest gripe is the…
You're in the top 1% or 0.1% of filtering for quality, IMO. Go spend some "quality time" on /r/the_donald for a more typical experience.
Yeah, but you don't have to go there. That's the point.
Trolls aren't winning the Internet, for the most part they're loitering in those corners of the web you'd expect to find them.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the contrary... these trolls have SWATted, stalked, ddos'd, called, doxxed, and harassed normal people. They've spammed business, social media accounts, email... For some people the impact on their life is very real. I can't use my name publicly on the internet because of trolls. This impacts my life in a huge way.
I hate this attitude of "blame everything on the trolls". You can't use your real name on the internet because using your real name on the internet is basically asking for trouble. You have to defend yourself in the same way you have to look at ads and read media critically and don't believe everything someone says on the phone or in the mail. It's really nothing new, it's just on the internet this time. Scamming and…
I had to take down the website for my business and can only accept brick & mortar transactions because of trolls... but sure I guess you can win at your commenting game by claiming everything is shit.
I've been running a business with multiple locations for 10 years and I've never had a problem more serious than trolls on the internet doxxing me.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's more of a signal to noise problem. We've had that issue before in society (e.g. the Middle Ages), when information flow was not constructive, and therefore not _additive_. The net result was that society moved sideways, not forward. Contrast that with Victorian England, where large parts of society had "manners", which allowed for information to be constructive, and society (technology, etc) could evolve…
Regarding manners, it really depends on what those manners are. Chinese medieval society was very orderly and mannered; there were clear standards of behavior (at least for the elites). But the manners in question were conservative and did not encourage innovation, so they did not advance rapidly and ended up far behind Europe despite having a head start. The enforced homogeneity of thought and thus destroyed opportu…
"In the west we developed this system of manners based on freedom, where we let people do things we think are wrong, as long as they're not hurting us."
I agree that west is more free then anything else. However that freedom in general sense or relatively new thing for large parts of population. And for that matter, marihuanna is still illegal and harms no one.
I think that west ultimately created system where groups were able to succesfully win fight for their right to not harm others. But it took fight and abuses happened every single time.
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#100I don't understand this article at all. I participate in two large professional forums (one for poker, one for development). The professionals are winning the internet there. There are dedicated subforums for trolls and random bs, which are pretty funny sometimes, but serve as an outlet for the garbage. I browse hacker news... It is what it is, I'm happy with it as a content sharing platform. My biggest gripe is the…
You're in the top 1% or 0.1% of filtering for quality, IMO. Go spend some "quality time" on /r/the_donald for a more typical experience.
I'd rather go bathing in a volcano.