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Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by tw04 » Wed, Nov 16, 2016, 8:17 PM UTC

adamlett wrote: post #417

tw04 wrote: post #414

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They aren't just function keys. Losing the tactile feedback of volume and screen brightness, while not THE END OF THE WORLD will very quickly become an every day annoyance for me. In order to... have a contextual touchscreen that forces me to take my eyes of the monitor to use? Sorry, I'm just not seeing the draw. I'm also struggling to buy into the "not everyone is a touch typist" excuse. Anyone under the age of abo…

Sorry, I'm just not seeing the draw "Sorry, but I'm just not interested in this motorized wagon you've invented. It's noisy and ugly. Could you please just go and invent me a faster horse instead?"

So you're comparing a touch bar, which has already been done before and met with the exact same pushback, to a radical new form of transportation? Fanboy alert.

This is the next Apple Watch in the making.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by adamlett » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 6:35 AM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #431

adamlett wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I'm just not seeing the draw "Sorry, but I'm just not interested in this motorized wagon you've invented. It's noisy and ugly. Could you please just go and invent me a faster horse instead?"

So you're comparing a touch bar, which has already been done before and met with the exact same pushback, to a radical new form of transportation? Fanboy alert. This is the next Apple Watch in the making.

No, I am making the observation that most users are conservative and resist change, even for the better. And that most people can't recognize progress even if it hits them in the face.

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by coldtea » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:07 AM UTC

Touche wrote: post #309

coldtea wrote: post #213

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> Who are you (or anyone else) to decide what works best for me? Am I not capable of making my own decisions? Most people aren't -- from politics to personal finances and relationships, there are tons of bad decisions everywhere one looks. (Including my decision to answer this comment some would say -- heh). We have schools, best practices, guidelines, standards etc, to try to enforce some good decisions upon people.…

> That said, if one feels strongly about it, there's always the decision NOT to buy such a laptop. And many people are making that decision, so what seems to be your problem with this?

>And many people are making that decision, so what seems to be your problem with this?

No problem with this.

My problem is that they frame it as if their personal habits/users are universal, and a computer that doesn't cater to these is inherently bad (as opposed to just bad for them).

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

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Post by coldtea » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:12 AM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #414

adamlett wrote: post #334

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It's an interesting comparison, but IMO not that apt. Going from a physical keyboard to a touch screen, something is definitely lost (even though much is also gained). The removal of the function keys will at worse force people to memorise different hot keys (any reason why the number row could not serve the same purpose exactly as well?), and at best it will make providers of IDEs and other productivity software rev…

They aren't just function keys. Losing the tactile feedback of volume and screen brightness, while not THE END OF THE WORLD will very quickly become an every day annoyance for me. In order to... have a contextual touchscreen that forces me to take my eyes of the monitor to use? Sorry, I'm just not seeing the draw. I'm also struggling to buy into the "not everyone is a touch typist" excuse. Anyone under the age of abo…

>They aren't just function keys. Losing the tactile feedback of volume and screen brightness, while not THE END OF THE WORLD will very quickly become an every day annoyance for me. In order to... have a contextual touchscreen that forces me to take my eyes of the monitor to use?

Most people "take their eyes of the monitor to use" the function keys. Given this, the function row strip will finally be more usable and more obvious for lots of other uses besides volume and brightness (things that people at best adjust a dozen of times a day).

Most laptop users are neither programmers not touch typists that use the function row 2000 times a day. Nor does being a "pro" users means you are either of them. A graphic designer might not be a touch typist or care for the f row, but he is a professional. Same for a doctor, an architect, a musician, a videographer, a CEO, an accountant, etc etc...

Re: Visual Studio for Mac

#435

Post by coldtea » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 9:15 AM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #431

adamlett wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I'm just not seeing the draw "Sorry, but I'm just not interested in this motorized wagon you've invented. It's noisy and ugly. Could you please just go and invent me a faster horse instead?"

So you're comparing a touch bar, which has already been done before and met with the exact same pushback, to a radical new form of transportation? Fanboy alert. This is the next Apple Watch in the making.

>This is the next Apple Watch in the making.

So, a product that went from non-existent to being the #1 sold item in it's niche, the #2 in overall watch sales, and outsold competitor smartwatches 10 to 1, becoming a multi-billion dollar thing?

And all that in it's first 2-3 years (it took more for the iPod to become ubiquitous from its 2001 introduction), and while not of course being expected to become the next iPhone anyway...

Yeah, some failure.