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Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by harimau777 »

dylan604 wrote: post #355
freeone3000 wrote: post #349

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45.7% of Americans don’t have a 401k. That’s not a convincing argument.

That's more people than elected the sitting president. Numbers don't really mean what you're trying to imply. Going the other way, 1% of the population hold the vast majority of the wealth while yielding all of the power.

Can you explain what you mean by "yielding all of the power"?

I don't think we can really just dismiss the people who live near proposed data centers and don't have 401Ks. What do they get out of the deal?

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by margalabargala »

whimsicalism wrote: post #397
margalabargala wrote: post #393

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HN guidelines are that I should choose the most generous interpretation of your comment, not the most likely one. It would be uncharitable and insulting to you to take your comment at face value.

HN guidelines also say something about flamebait but I guess you read past that part :) cheers, obviously not going to continue replying to you

Right, but didn't that one go out the window with your original comment? People follow all the rules some of the time, and some of the rules all the time.

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by kfkfkckd »

rpdillon wrote: post #404
grubbusThewiz wrote: post #376

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Unlikely. I'm not sure where HN is hosted, but I think it's a bare metal server in a colo, not a data center. The childish behavior is disagreeing with how datacenters are being deployed and reducing that to "more is bad", and then stretching the position to "data centers bad". I'm begging the collective here to consider what they are really asking for, because our society, from the government down, is built on the c…

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Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by Forgeties79 »

chasd00 wrote: post #377
Forgeties79 wrote: post #208

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Honestly the fact that someone as “business friendly” as Abbott in Texas is halting construction is alarming to me. Nothing stops businesses in Texas, let alone the government.

The Texas grid is largely independent of the national grid. Abbott wants an audit to ensure data center plans comply with the rules. "Any project that fails to comply with the requirements set forth by the PUCT and ERCOT, and by state law, must be denied connection to the Texas grid. Simply put, Texans must come first." It's not a pro or anti business stance it's just a deal-is-a-deal stance. https://gov.texas.gov/ne…

Texas rarely lets the letter of the law stand in the way of how they operate.

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by whimsicalism »

kennywinker wrote: post #410
whimsicalism wrote: post #372

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maybe i'm working on software for supply chain routing. maybe i'm making a commodity trading bot that more accurately prices wheat futures. AI helps with both of those things.

> maybe i'm working on software for supply chain routing. We have supply chain routing software already. Humans wrote it, humans can improve it. Getting ai in the loop won’t change the realities of the supply chain, except maybe they’ll hire less programmers. > maybe i'm making a commodity trading bot that more accurately prices wheat futures How does that benefit me? Further financializing food production seems like…

This is what I mean about not understanding the second order transitive labor that goes into fulfilling people's wants.

Making supply chain routing software cheaper, improving it for less money → all of these things directly make the products in grocery stores cheaper.

"Further financializing food production seems like a bad thing." →

Why assume rather than approaching with curiosity? Commodity futures are, again, critical to global supply chains and food markets. Farmers in eastern Europe actually look at futures markets to determine when and if to plant their harvest, cargo ships that transport your food buy futures in oil & gas so that they can have stable fuel costs to provide you with your food, etc. etc. Speculating on the future gives rise to the corrections necessary for providing things that people want in the future.

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by [deleted] »

stasomatic wrote: post #409
jmmcd wrote: post #159

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AC at 68F is obnoxious and wasteful. At least data centres enable me to communicate with distant colleagues, watch enriching movies, and use very strong AI tools to accelerate my research.

My building is leaky. The association won't fix it. How about this compromise, you set yours to 74 to compensate for my 68. Fair enough, or will you say I should move?

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Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by whimsicalism »

kennywinker wrote: post #306
vmchale wrote: post #291

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> A data center costs my community No one was objecting when pornhub was building out data centers. Anything they like to consume, no matter how frivolous, is accepted as morally better on a metaphysical level. > further enriches a few already rich people. Meat eaters damaging the Earth is okay because it's "equal"? 300 million people deciding they're entitled to consume anything they want in ever-increasing quantiti…

Listen, I am no meat advocate. I just see a very clear link between the resources required to make meat and the benefit to the person eating the meat. Where data centers cause local and global harm, while not benefitting the locale or the globe. Which is why people don’t like them. And it’s not like non-meat is fine - the corn industry uses a blinding amount of water, as do almonds, etc. We have a finite budget for w…

> And it’s not like non-meat is fine - the corn industry uses a blinding amount of water, as do almonds, etc.

Switching from meat to non-meat unequivocally lowers your GHG and water footprint and there's really no room for quibbling on this unless you are switching to a diet of exclusively almonds

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by grubbusThewiz »

rpdillon wrote: post #404
grubbusThewiz wrote: post #376

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Unlikely. I'm not sure where HN is hosted, but I think it's a bare metal server in a colo, not a data center. The childish behavior is disagreeing with how datacenters are being deployed and reducing that to "more is bad", and then stretching the position to "data centers bad". I'm begging the collective here to consider what they are really asking for, because our society, from the government down, is built on the c…

Your perception is its built on cloud.

How much if that is true and how much of it is carefully constructed propaganda? Implanted and reinforced beliefs to make workers hustle to ensure the server fields produce enough crop this quarter.

Most people on the planet are not tech people. Their world is not built on cloud at all but ensuring there is sufficient food and stuff to satisfy their biological needs.

It's asocial terminally online tech workers who think the cloud is akin to strong and weak nuclear forces and gravity; so essential they are fundamental forces of nature themselves

Hopefully you can get the obvious bias of your perspective; species of 8 billion is not propped up by a few million script kiddies

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Post by soerxpso »

kennywinker wrote: post #146
WarmWash wrote: post #137

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Yeah, but when we account for that scale, and look at resource usage, datacenters aren't topping the charts, or even really getting in the top 5, for anything. You have people who eat meat at every meal losing their mind over water usage and people who set their AC to 68 panicking over energy usage.

Eating meat fills my belly. Setting my AC to 68 keeps me cool. A data center costs my community money, damages the environment directly and indirectly, and further enriches a few already rich people. Can you spot the difference?

A data center allows the website you're whining on to function. If they're really as inconsequential to your life as you're implying, maybe you should boycott them by not using any websites or apps that rely on a data center to function.
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