Can we stop pretending that Mythos is a good model yet?
What was your particular experience with it?
Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
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#422I don’t buy any of this. They released something extremely resource-hungry, slow, and token-intensive. In layman’s terms, it feels more like overclocking than a real improvement over Opus. I suspect it was not sustainable to run it for millions of users without a huge price adjustment. So, before the IPO, they may have wanted to preview something “cool” and then stage some kind of legal force majeure. Also, consideri…
It is sad to think this administration would not do this if there wasn't a profit motive. I'm not convinced you identified it. But there is no way there was any sort of rigor applied to this.
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What's the issue with WSJ? "people familiar with the matter" is standard lingo, means the journalist and editors have vetted the sources (multiple).
& many times the sources don't want to reveal their identity or go on record. A sort of tradeoff--to get the info they have to protect the source "You may not talk to the media" is pretty standard language in US employee contracts so obviously these people don't want to fireable offenses on the front page of the newspaper.
I saw several mentions of corruption. But who brought it to the administrations attention. Envy and corruption. Stifle competition, by greasing palms you are familiar with.
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That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…
It’s a great way to regulate if you’re corrupt. When the rules are opaque and arbitrary, there’s a lot more room for corruption.
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#425The simplest explanation is Anthropic hasn't paid the necessary ‘taxes’ to get the required blessings. SpaceX did the right thing: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-03/spacex-ip...
Please don't refer to bribes as taxes. Extremely, extremely counterproductive.
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#426I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…
> I still am struggling to understand
And? Does it matter?
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> A third-party demonstrated that it was possible to jailbreak the safety measures of Fable to access the raw Mythos abilities. Abilities which Anthropic say are too dangerous for the public. Pressure test this assumption before getting behind this position.
I will certainly revisit it as more information comes out, but is it your contention that Anthropic solved jailbreaking with Mythos?
What you claim contradicts Anthropic’s statements. I assume that is the contention.
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To give you further perspective, Amazon has a $50B stake in OpenAI and a $5B stake in Anthropic. If things were flipped, I highly doubt Amazon would be running straight to the feds.
Interesting point. Just a small correction, the Anthropic stake is higher. ($13B + another $20B option if they hit certain milestones, which I believe is almost guaranteed) So it's closer to $33B In any case, there is no reason for them to purposefully hurt Anthropic. I would say that this government "takedown" of Mythos is great free advertising. I mean, if you look at this, they said it's too risky to launch, we al…
> I would say that this government "takedown" of Mythos is great free advertising.
Apple did the same thing with the PowerMac G4 when it was temporarily afoul of export control laws as it surpassed 1 gigaflop, ran an ad "for the first time in history a personal computer has been classified as a weapon" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb7EhYy-2RE)
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I expect the blast radius will include every American service provider. The problem isn't exclusive to Anthropic, the same thing could happen with OpenAI tomorrow. Using American platforms is a huge business risk now and there's no putting toothpaste back in the tube here.
That's been the case for over a year. People are still using US services.
This is the first time the US decided to unilaterally cut people around the world off from American AI services with zero notice. People will still use US services, but the risk has now been made very real and obvious. Believe it or not companies do price in risk.
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AWS isn’t broadly seen as credible in AI beyond commodity compute, but they are a shareholder here. Jassy missed the boat on LLMs quite badly and the only real angle he had left was to use Amazon’s cashflow to buy stakes and buy business for Trainium.
Did they miss it or are they careful to over invest, especially too early? Maybe their early bets in Anthropic were sized correctly since they’re making more money than all the other big tech investors in frontier labs.
They missed it badly. Mostly under Jassy’s reign.
Look at it like this. They had millions of voice interface devices already sitting in some large percentage of (at least US) households.
And they squandered it. Extremely late to the LLM game. Even today the Alexa interface is ridiculously bad.