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> The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by high walls. We have always believed that AGI should be the cornerstone for all of humanity to collaboratively explore the boundaries of intelligence and solve complex challenges, rather than a privilege monopolized by a few rules and subject to revocation at any moment. This is not obvious to me. If everyone gets access to AGI, but only a f…

The printing press gave us the renaissance, even though the church argued it was too dangerous to give non-clergy access to books. Even things like universal access to guns was a net positive. It led to the end of feudalism and rise of democracy. The sad truth is that whenever any one group of people gets a monopoly over an important technology, they use it to exploit/enslave/murder everyone they can. Look at the int…

Restricting things like creation of a highly infectious virus is very different from restricting books or even guns. There is no 'monopoly' over such a technology, as a use of the technology will inevitably harm the creators themselves.

Restrictions on high end biology, chemistry would leave overwhelming number of use cases of LLMs unaffected - no need to ban open weight LLMs. Such restrictions can be even more effective, if it is coupled to researchers getting early access to see the possible problems and have an opportunity to prevent the outbreak or create new vaccines well in advance.

Restrictions are not enabling monopolies. The opposite is true, if a LLM engineered virus or other harmful technology is let loose, public opinion can very quickly swing towards draconian regulation. (see nuclear power after Chernobyl).

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Gemma is amazing with tools for anything that is not crazy complex. I think a lot of people have a wrong perception of it because Google's new prompt format broke implementations like llama.cpp and it took quite a while to get everything sorted. But even the tiny variants running on edge devices are surprisingly capable when used right. The frontier will probably keep moving for a while, but it will be increasingly d…

Do you guys actually work with these models? I have to use GPT 5.4 Mini at work. It benchmarks higher than that Gemma 4 model. In my experience it's next to useless. It cannot even move 20 existing lines of code from A to B without breaking them half of the time. If you tell it to look something up in your dependencies, it's 50/50 on whether the answer is correct, incorrect, or it simply didn't perform the search at…

Like I said in my original comment, it’s fine for non-coding tasks, meaning I primarily use it to answer questions

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Quit my Claude pro subscription last week and purchased credits for an API inference provider. I think I might even end up saving money, since I really don’t use AI that much, and I actually found that gemma4:31b is fine for most of my non-coding inquiries.

Got a link to that API inference provider?

I use novita ai

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If it's really as simple as allowing trade with the west then why are many other developing countries either stuck at the middle-income trap or not developing quite as fast as China? You're not gonna tell me Chinese are smarter, are you?

"At the same time western companies setup factories in China causing massive capital inflows." This was an intentional policy to split China off from the Soviet union it's well documented the same thing never happened for other countries. "You're not gonna tell me Chinese are smarter, are you?" No I'm not, but I will say culture does play a massive role, China was not a bunch of roaming tribes living off the land. Tu…

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In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.

I didn’t follow the news continuously enough to know what 5:21 or your comment meant.

Background reading:

https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access

tl;dr: Anthropic supports government centralized government control over models, Amazon produced a probably bogus request to pull down Mythos and Fable, so Trump pulled it down.

It’s probably bogus because no evidence of effective jailbreaks were provided, and also Fable/Mythos isn’t any more capable than OpenAI’s pre-jailbroken 5.5 offering, making it a moot point.

Anthropic can put it back up once they institute citizenship checks for their customers and ban any foreign nationals they employ from using it.

(All of the above according to Anthropic)

I’ll editorialize and say that this is blatant illegal retaliation on the part of the admin, and also that anthropic brought it on themselves with their “this model will kill us all” Mythos marketing stunt.

I guess in this story, Amazon is the useful pawn/idiot. Maybe it’ll go Shakespearean, and we’ll get some lowbrow comic relief from Bezos.

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How do you figure that? “also a reminder that as soon as Chinese models take the lead, they will switch to closed source too” What specifically about their release strategy “reminded” you of that conjecture? The premise that they only open source the models … because it somehow helps them leapfrog American labs, and once they actually can leapfrog them, they’d close source them, doesn’t really track for me. Am I miss…

The point I’m making is that this has become a strategic resource. The Chinese government allows wide sharing of their models because is weakens the US position. If Chinese models become better than Americans, do you believe the CCP will allow the free distribution of their flagship models? Think again if it’s the case.

Maybe, but it could aöso be that they’re looking closeöy at the risks and negative externalities of the way things are currently being done in the US. I.e. bu and for the disproportionate benefit of a tiny elite, allied with a veru polarizing and unpredictaböe political leadership, while the vast majoruty are incredibly anxious and resentful about it all. China is currently ahead in all aspects pf ”AI” other than the specific niche of frontier LLMs, and for all their faults seem more interested in maintaining social cohesion (which has its own dystopian aspects, obv) and disseminating the technology and its presumed benefits throughout society, rather than ”beating the US”.

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Well I do hope you're right - that's a brighter future for all

Even if not, the Europeans are a few more months behind. LLMs are commoditizing.

True - if all else fails there is mistral. Really hope the EU ensures they keep chugging along even if it does take taxpayer money

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The point I’m making is that this has become a strategic resource. The Chinese government allows wide sharing of their models because is weakens the US position. If Chinese models become better than Americans, do you believe the CCP will allow the free distribution of their flagship models? Think again if it’s the case.

Why wouldn't they? It keeps strengthening their position. It's an incredible source of soft power if they're seen as the place to look for good AI, and what's more, you can self-host it or hire a local provider if you're worried about data sovereignty.

‘Why wouldn’t anyone give away frontier AI?’ sounds like ‘why wouldn’t anyone give away uranium enrichment?’ i.e. I can’t comprehend the state of mind and the world model of anyone asking a question like that, which is apparently quite a few folks here on HN!
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