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Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Benchmarking 1 or a few samples isn't ever going to yield anything but noise. The actual benchmarks use thousands of tasks. GPT 5.5 genuinely was back on top for a while there, but if you look at the past 2 years, being on Claude was better than being on OpenAI most of the time. If you're going to pick a tool and not switch constantly it was the right choice. Not to mention their tooling has always been ahead, and th…

okay what's a point in time where Claude was better? just give me a date

until GPT 5.4, Claude always had a decent edge in benchmarks (any date before then). The gap was huge during the Sonnet 3.x vs GPT 4.x eta.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

> I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing.

It’s a really good signal of self-awareness/arrogance

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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I’ve heard this said, but why?

he pushes mysticism of the models he's starkly anti-China with a warlike posture that I find dangerous and unappealing Anthropic has a much more confused mission statement than OpenAI in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends

> in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends

At least his ghostwriters do.

https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace https://www.darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technol...

I have yet to see anything out of Altman that indicates he's thinking about anything other than money or corporate PR.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Corporate accounts pay the full api price, so I don't know what is stopping them or you from also using codex on the same terms?

Intellectual property. My employer has an agreement that our code will never end up as part of Claude's training data. At this point there are also now custom Claude integrations etc. I'm sure they could also negotiate a similar deal with OpenAI but in my outsider experience it seems that negotiations around these kind of corporate contracts takes forever and when the selling point is "they're broadly pretty similar"…

> My employer has an agreement that our code will never end up as part of Claude's training data.

Bit of a tangent but it is funny to me that so many companies talk about how some large percentage (sometimes 100%) of their new code is LLM-written and they still bother to worry about their code being used for training.

If an LLM is writing all your new code then your existing code certainly wasn't some unique special secret, and your new code came from the LLM to begin with.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

The idea that intelligence will be commoditized is completely counterintuitive. It comes from the belief that it can’t exceed our own. This is almost certainly not true at the limit. There will likely by many super intelligences like we see life in the wild

No, it comes from the idea that the intelligence each company offers at any time will be undistinguishable. Sure some models will temporarily pull ahead, but others will quickly catch up and the intelligence difference won’t matter enough too convince anyone to switch on its own.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Ah that's always SO fun. It doesn't matter how "smart" the person actually are (or think they are) we are ALL susceptible to influence and blind tests are shockingly simple to implement. Convinced you can distinguish A from B? Ok! No problem, let's try! Can be at the dinner table for fancy wine or with agents, it's all the same, you try an option, another option, maybe all options from the same, and if you reliably c…

Isn’t this obvious? Over half of HN commentators visibly struggle to piece 3 or more complex ideas together. How could anyone, who spent more than 30 minutes reading HN, expect otherwise?

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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

Newer GPT (5+) models seem to forget imports more often than Claude and use all lowercase comments more (possibly as part of OpenAI's effort to make it more concise).

It also seems to use modern Java features like var and records more.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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The models aside, my impression is that Anthropic is winning in large part because of very pragmatic and high-velocity product development on top of them; like with Claude Code. Like actually iterating hard to make them useful. Many, many details matter here. I haven't tested the similar OpenAI/Google tools in detail lately though. Previously I found them way too generic and unpolished to be useful. Is there somethin…

My impression too.

Claude Desktop, Cowork, Code, Design all get meaningful new features week over week.

I can’t recall another vendor with such focus and velocity.

Google products are evolving at a glacial pace. OpenAI isn’t as focused on what knowledge workers need.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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This is an incredibly silly comparison. It amounts to claiming that a Ford Pinto is just as good of a car as a Rolls-Royce by simply observing that both cars got a person from point A to point B. After all, once someone reaches their destination you can hardly tell what vehicle they actually used to get there, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between vehicles. What matters most in state of the art models i…

In my test the prompt was the same and all suggestions were auto accepted so indeed there was no difference other than model and harness. The amount of characters typed and interaction with the harnesses were exactly the same.

To keep with the analogy, isn't that sort of like testing two cars by having them both drive the same few hundred foot stretch of new road at the posted speed limit of 35 MPH? You will test some things doing that, but not particularly well, and hardly all the things people find interesting and useful for comparing the performance of cars.

To bring ng this back to the discussion at hand (and to be redundant, as it's been mentioned here already), there are many aspects of using an LLM that are not purely about the output from a single or few well formed prompts. Additionally, if the end results are very similar, these othrr aspects will have an outsized influence on people's perspective of the tools, as they're the only differences worth choosing one model over another.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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It’s because the programming works. OpenAI. Spent its resources on AGI whilst Claude worked on making programming work. Google Gemini is out of the race entirely its programming AI is a joke.

Gemini is probably one of the better AI's for programming, despite Google not making a decent official client to access it.
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