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Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by edgyquant »

hypeatei wrote: post #271
edgyquant wrote: post #155

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I find it odd when people write off policies as using “save the children” or “protect women” as if this isn’t something people are really capable of thinking. You fail to understand why the Overton window has shifted because you fail to understand people really are worried about their children

I don't know of any surveillance state act that used "protect women" as their top line, but maybe I missed it. > because you fail to understand people really are worried about their children No, I completely understand but that doesn't give anyone the right to start mandating that we give up our privacy in pursuit of that. That's sorta the joke with "save the children", it's meant to tug at your emotions and make you…

No it isn’t “meant” to do anything but reflect a desire to protect children. You’re projecting.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by watwut »

mittensc wrote: post #410
ThatPlayer wrote: post #407

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> How does the OS know that you moved from the "13-15" bracket to the "16-17" bracket without knowing your DoB? No one says it has to be automatic. The OS could require the parent to manually update it.

So the kid boots up linux off a USB stick and makes it all pointless

Overwhelming majority of kids wont. The idea that the average teenager even knows what those words mean is not realistic.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by card_zero »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #311
PostOnce wrote: post #288

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What about every other system where we rely on parents to parent? Kids can turn apple juice into wine in their closet they can drive their bicycle to a drug dealer they can rub a butter knife against the sidewalk until it's pointy Do we need govt AI cameras in kids closets and on their bicycles? How do we verify they're cycling somewhere safe? How do we make sure they're not getting shitfaced on bootleg hooch they ma…

This is more like a store being able to see their age just by looking at them, and make restrictions because of that. We don't rely on parents to prevent a 10 year old from going into a bar.

Which, unlike this, does not create issues, since the bar is a place staffed by people, employed to serve drinks, who can reasonably be required to look at their customers, while an operating system is some software, perhaps written by an enthusiast, which cannot reasonably be required to inspect its users.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by xtiansimon »

pianoben wrote: post #88
mgfist wrote: post #78

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It should be externalized to a degree. Facebook shouldn't be the ones verifying age, but there should be a trusted 3rd party service that does that, which just tells facebook "yes this user is old enough to use your service" or "no they're not old enough". It abso-fucking-lutely should not be at the OS level though, for so many reasons. Even the implementation alone would be a nightmare. Do I need to input my ID to u…

Or, and hear me out, _maybe our computers shouldn't spy on us in the first place_?

Once you force OS to communicate data about the user, here we’re talking age, is it a slippery slope? Once the architecture is created, why not put other things about you in there?

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by sgarland »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #303
fn-mote wrote: post #299

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> Option B is […] simpler than the status quo. This bill FORBIDS platforms from operating in the state unless they provide age verification. Forbid an OS for operating in Illinois? Sounds insane to me. When I bring my Linux laptop from California, what happens?

I'm not really focused on the exact wording of this bill. But mandating distros have a useradd and glibc with an extra couple functions is not a significant burden.

I hope the number of downvotes you’re receiving makes you consider the absurdity of your suggestion.

Have you seen distrowatch? Are you going to go track down maintainers from every distro - many of whom live outside of the U.S. - and demand they implement this? The smaller ones would probably ignore you or tell you to get fucked, the larger ones with funding might decide to drag you into court.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by greenie_beans »

gruez wrote: post #37
1970-01-01 wrote: post #32

The "one weird trick" that all government hates? Stop forcing OSes to function with accounts. "User account" is an artifact of UNIX. You don't need an account to start a car, send and email, nor boot an operating system. I know it's hard to grasp, but it's true.

What's the "user account" for an iPhone? Sure you might have to sign into icloud, but that's not mandatory. It's effectively a single user system.

i'm sure there is some sorta root user on that system if you go digging far enough?? or am i just ignorant

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by ChoGGi »

watwut wrote: post #422
mittensc wrote: post #410

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So the kid boots up linux off a USB stick and makes it all pointless

Overwhelming majority of kids wont. The idea that the average teenager even knows what those words mean is not realistic.

They may not, but the friend selling porn sticks at school does.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by IAmBroom »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #72
1970-01-01 wrote: post #32

The "one weird trick" that all government hates? Stop forcing OSes to function with accounts. "User account" is an artifact of UNIX. You don't need an account to start a car, send and email, nor boot an operating system. I know it's hard to grasp, but it's true.

> You don't need an account to start a car, … Don’t say this too loud please, I don’t honestly think we’re too far from this reality, at least from an “Overton Window” point of view.

Some cars already have accounts. If you don't pick one, it assumes the prior one is being reused - so de facto it's already here.
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