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Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by close04 »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #415
close04 wrote: post #406

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> IAM can stay MS That's leaving the most critical component still with a US company. Doesn't fly if the goal is what the Danish agency is trying to achieve. > It actually depends how you use it. Obviously but the larger the company, the more ways to use it, and one of those ways will be a nightmare to tackle. You want one solution, not a patchwork. So the one that does everything gets picked. MS throws everything an…

> That's leaving the most critical component still with a US company. Doesn't fly if the goal is what the Danish agency is trying to achieve. Yes, because it is very hard to replace. I said that you could move to Okta or something similar (in this or in another comment), but this requires you have pretty modern apps that can integrate with SAML/OAuth/OIDC. And, even staying with MS for a few more years while you migr…

> You can't just yank out everything overnight

Yeah, it's that transition period - "it's going to get worse before it gets any better" - that hurts the most and that everyone tries to avoid.

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by buovjaga »

trinsic2 wrote: post #408
buovjaga wrote: post #286

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LibreOffice release builds should offer to send a crash report. Ideally, you should then create a bug report referencing the crash report. Besides that, you can do your own build with debug symbols and get backtraces or debug the program. At The Document Foundation we are always interested in helping deployments. It is also nice to do writeups for our blog. Let me know, if your organisation needs help: ilmari.lauhaka…

Why does libreoffice have such an annoying document recovery mechanism that I can't turn off or modify? It takes like three clicks to cancel that process every time I open a new doc

Have you deactivated Tools - Options - Load/Save - General: Save AutoRecovery information...?

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by StrauXX »

maxloh wrote: post #307
StrauXX wrote: post #109

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OnlyOffice had some controversy around being owned and operated by a Russian company through shell companies. They might even fall under EU sanctions. There is an open German information request to the government that was never answered. Wether those connections are true or not I can't say, but I do know people that dropped OnlyOffice in their evaluations for this reason.

> They might even fall under EU sanctions. They FALL under EU sanctions. https://www.tu.berlin/en/campusmanagement/news-details/umste...

That's "just" the interpretation of TU Berlin. Here is the FOI request that was never answered: https://fragdenstaat.de/anfrage/onlyoffice-sanktionen/

Just to be clear: TU Berlin is probably right. But according to some sources (which I don't believe) OnlyOffice no longer has any connections to Russia and is now really from an EU company.

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Post by rbanffy »

buovjaga wrote: post #420
rbanffy wrote: post #398

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> you should then create a bug report referencing the crash report Reducing friction would be nice here - I don't remember encountering the crash log screen, but if you could file a bug report right from that screen, that'd be perfect. A lot of information can be pre-collected at that stage - precise version, build, OS, architecture, processor type, etc. All that'd be left is the "What I was trying to do", my e-mail,…

> if you could file a bug report right from that screen, that'd be perfect You can file a bug report from a crash report - it prefills all the relevant data. See an example crash report: https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/crash_details/bac2... "Bug reports for libc.so.6: File a bug for: Calc Writer Impress Chart Base" Here is what the dialog says about bug reports: https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/master/svx…

Thank you. This is all awesome work. BTW, I didn't know debuginfod existed :-)

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Post by JaggerJo »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #316
rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

> my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should probably stop wiring the house through a burning building." Payments, cloud, office software, data infrastructure, all of it. I think you transposed some numbers in those dates it's more like 2062-2072. All of those things need to be built first and frankly all the initiatives started long before the current USA situation. The EU has been aware tha…

Most solutions already exist as open source software.

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Post by mainecoder »

kakacik wrote: post #190
embedding-shape wrote: post #79

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> It can be better than Microsoft, but you need to fund it to be better than Microsoft. Lol no. Microsoft profits more than the value they provide, not exactly we should want to copy. We need to prevent hypercapitalism from reaching us in Europe, not make it worse, as we now seen exactly what it does to countries when you let it grow unfettered. But I agree in general, governments and companies that use FOSS should d…

Europe as in EU can certainly use a bit more capitalism. Nothing brutal like US or China have where individuals are often crushed by system or situation with no help in sight, but Europe got lazy, complacent, used to over-generous unsustainable easy to abuse social system and generally living off debt to future generations. Self-serving massive bureaucracy and corruption. Companies like car makers are already being h…

Are we just going to forget that the Switzerland is the place where capitalists many(in my opinion or some if you want) keep their money.

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Post by jajuuka »

rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

I'm not sure conflating US corporations and the US government is really logical. Microsoft isn't a startup from the US, it's a worldwide corporation. Same with Visa/Mastercard and others. Whatever buffoonery happens in the White House doesn't really get reflected out across US based organizations. It's like being worried about Siemens stability during a German economic downturn or political upset.

I think this has much more to do with rising nationalism. (I know the EU isn't a country. It's just the best word I can think of to fit. ) It's not like Denmark is saying they plan to use technology from the global south, Asia or are open to options. It's an attitude of "we want to support European companies". That's not inherently bad, but I fear this is just another expression of this isolationism that is becoming more popular in Europe. That's not to say it's exclusive or unique to Europe, but just recognizing the ways it shows up.

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Post by trinsic2 »

buovjaga wrote: post #422
trinsic2 wrote: post #408

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Why does libreoffice have such an annoying document recovery mechanism that I can't turn off or modify? It takes like three clicks to cancel that process every time I open a new doc

Have you deactivated Tools - Options - Load/Save - General: Save AutoRecovery information...?

Yes. It still operates after that if I open a document that I didn't shutdown correctly. Many times I just open documents to take temp notes. and some times I shutdown the application with out saving and that document recovery process starts no matter what.

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Post by harambae »

999900000999 wrote: post #13

The entire American software industry will feel the ramifications here. Gotta stay polite for HN. No data stored on an American server is secure. I really really do like Open Suse though, and I think an open source future is possible. Open Suse, Libre Office, etc.

For all of the talk of the downfall of Americans software here on HN and how all the Europeans are moving away, this happened today as well...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47169815 (iPhone and iPad approved to handle classified NATO information)

Re: Danish government agency to ditch Microsoft software (2025)

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Post by tibu »

jajuuka wrote: post #427
rambojohnson wrote: post #171

Europe’s reading the room and building exits. They’re also cutting dependence on Visa/Mastercard because tying your payment rails to a declining, unstable empire is a bad long-term bet. Wero, the digital euro, local infrastructure, all of it points to the same thing: financial sovereignty matters when America looks more like a geopolitical liability. my read is that 2026 to 2027 is basically Europe saying, "we should…

I'm not sure conflating US corporations and the US government is really logical. Microsoft isn't a startup from the US, it's a worldwide corporation. Same with Visa/Mastercard and others. Whatever buffoonery happens in the White House doesn't really get reflected out across US based organizations. It's like being worried about Siemens stability during a German economic downturn or political upset. I think this has mu…

The US government can require a US company lots of things. After POTUS declared that he wants Greenland I can totally understand Danmark wants to get rid of everything US.
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