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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by nandomrumber »

GOD_Over_Djinn wrote: post #352
peyton wrote: post #284

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There’s a whole vibrant industry of people you can pay to market whatever you want on Reddit. They can’t all be competing for the same few popular subreddits. They must be differentiated by targeting niche subreddits.

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Imagine coming to a place where the written rules ask us for to be intellectually curious and to reply to the strongest interpretation of others.

Then pulling down your pants in the living room and taking a shit on the floor.

At least try not to be a cunt, mate.

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Post by Semaphor »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #179
Aurornis wrote: post #163

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> That may not be a big deal on a gardening subreddit, I had to abandon my last few hobby subreddits because there were a few chronically online people who had to control the conversation in every single post with their opinions. If anyone didn't agree, their comments would mysteriously go to -3 or below within 30 minutes of posting. It's all little fiefdoms for chronically online people now.

What are your thoughts on lemmy, maybe the hobby can be extremely niche but you can even be the moderator yourself on a lemmy instance and I think that a federated reddit alternative would be nice too! If I may ask, what are the hobbies that you are talking about?

> What are your thoughts on lemmy

I was big on it during the reddit excursion. Eventually I figured out that because it’s so small, that many/most people read the equivalent of /r/all, where many, many posts would end up. So even your small niche community would get "genpop" users. That’s what made me return to reddit instead and delete my instance (that, and the politics of the creators infesting some major instances).

The only halfway sane community I found was beehaw.org, which defederated aggressively, but that came with being very small, and I always cared most about the discussion over the links themselves. So eventually I left that as well.

ETA: I would probably summarize it that Lemmy is (or was, been a while now) better than big subreddits, but worse for small niche communities which imo are by far the best part of reddit, and the only part I care about.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

alexjplant wrote: post #210
andix wrote: post #98

Modern social media is nothing like social media in early days (myspace, early Facebook and even early Instagram). Back then it was a platform to communicate with friends, and maybe even find new friends to meet up with. Today social media is more like a drug, to keep the user engaged and to push content to them. The content must either be addictive/engaging or paid advertisements. Quality of the content doesn't matt…

Reddit has been a cesspit of recycled pablum, populist image macros and low effort reply comments for more than a decade. Enthusiast subreddits are astroturfed to hell and back by people with a Shopify storefront and a dream trying to growth hack their way to a hockey stick. The low barrier to entry to each community means that this vapid culture eventually diffuses itself across subreddits that might otherwise be go…

I miss slashdot 20 years ago :/

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Post by insane_dreamer »

bityard wrote: post #376
pests wrote: post #357

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You're in luck! They recently rolled out updated parental controls letting you block it. https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/updates-youtube-supervi... "YouTube has introduced enhanced parental controls allowing parents to manage or block YouTube Shorts for teen accounts. Parents can set daily time limits for Shorts ranging from zero to two hours, configure custom bedtimes, and set "take a break" reminders" (AI summ…

You can block shorts this way? Neat! Excuse me, I need to go set up a subaccount for my newly adopted fictional child.

all they have to do is log out of their google account and clear their cache, and there go the YouTube parental controls

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Post by insane_dreamer »

figassis wrote: post #225
andix wrote: post #98

Modern social media is nothing like social media in early days (myspace, early Facebook and even early Instagram). Back then it was a platform to communicate with friends, and maybe even find new friends to meet up with. Today social media is more like a drug, to keep the user engaged and to push content to them. The content must either be addictive/engaging or paid advertisements. Quality of the content doesn't matt…

When did this start? IMHO it started with instagram. I remember back then there were multiple retro photo apps, insta was one of them, I had several on my phone and kept playing around with them (at the time apps felt like Christmas presents, each update exploring a device feature in creative ways). I don't quite remember, but I don't think it was a social network then, I think you posted the photos in other networks…

it started with FB before IG, but infected IG once Zuck bought it

but things really took off when TT cracked the code for endless scrolling of "relevant" content

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Post by insane_dreamer »

t-3 wrote: post #282
baq wrote: post #192

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HN doesn’t optimize for addictive . Fortnite and wow do. No opinion on NFL, but they probably do at least somewhat.

Karma and thread-ranking are adaptations that directly increase addictiveness while doing little else...

thread ranking is useful and doesn't increase addictiveness

I do agree that karma increases addictiveness and adds little value; I can see it being useful for certain permissions (so new accounts can't do thinks like downvoting), but it could just not be visible to the user; then there's no motivation to "increase my karma"

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Post by nandomrumber »

zdragnar wrote: post #260
shevy-java wrote: post #245

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phpBB was quite nice, but you must remember that people used phpBB less and less over the years. Many phpBB style webforums are dead, and died before discourse etc... came about. People's habits changed. I do agree that things got worse in the last ~16 years or so.

There's one or two still kicking around that I visit myself, but I'll admit I don't miss not having threaded conversations. Trying to follow a conversation with other people butting in with low effort shit posting is way harder with everything being linear.

We can’t have threaded conversations because that would elevate some users and subordinate other’s comments.

Everyone is equal and hierarchy is bad.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

XorNot wrote: post #138
whatever1 wrote: post #132

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Hackernews is also addictive. Fortnine is addictive. World of Warcraft is addictive. NFL is addictive. Addiction does not strike to me as a unique trait of the social media. The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique.

Hacker News has plenty of its own echo chamber, no different to any other social environment.

actually, much more diverse because everyone is in the same forum rather than being divided into "subreddits"

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Post by refulgentis »

notpushkin wrote: post #416
refulgentis wrote: post #235

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Really good question...TL;DR: I'd put it around when Mark Z decided Instagram also had to be Snapchat. (copied Stories) It normalized a behavior of copying. I had gotten completely out of these apps, then ended up in a situation where I needed to use Snapchat daily if not hourly for messaging, and needed to use TikTok to be culturally literate. (i.e. I got into something romantic with someone younger). It was a stunn…

> and needed to use TikTok to be culturally literate I wish we had something like Lurkmore for the modern Internets™. KYM could be it, but it seems to focus on random celebrity gossip instead? Idk.

This is a really good point.

It made me realize there's something weird about TikTok, it's kind of like Twitter except with an audience much more compliant with/sanguine about The Algorithm. i.e. no one's fighting for a "people I follow only" feed (there is one, but it's not worth fighting for, in a cultural sense)

They will overpromote one thing and some story you're not part of will be hyperviral for 6 hours, so there's almost no time for someone else to digest it. (example that comes to mind is Solidcore Guy, https://people.com/man-finds-empty-6-a-m-solidcore-class-fil..., took People 10 days to catch up to something you'd need to know for small talk in a 48 hour window)

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Post by enaaem »

carlosjobim wrote: post #198
whatever1 wrote: post #132

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Hackernews is also addictive. Fortnine is addictive. World of Warcraft is addictive. NFL is addictive. Addiction does not strike to me as a unique trait of the social media. The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique.

> The echo chamber bubble on the other hand, seems quite unique. At least you can now choose your bubble and even listen to your own echo. That beats having the government beam their psychosis straight into everybody's brain by TV, radio and newspapers. That makes the whole society an "echo chamber" of whatever the rulers have on their current agenda. And not just on your devices, but all the people you meet in real…

Content on social media nowadays isn’t organic. State level resources are being thrown to influence people. So you are being beamed some government propaganda anyway.

I grew up in the forum days and internet discussions were very different back then. Accounts like “Endwokeness” would never work. People will make fun of him for being so obsessed with trans. You can’t just post some low effort political openings and walk away. Your openings need to have substance and you are pressured to engage. Otherwise people will see through your schtick and you get banned.

I don’t have a solution for this, and I think it’s a different problem regarding social media for kids.

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