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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by g8oz »

notrealyme123 wrote: post #268
miroljub wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an European I'd be rather tracked by an American (out Chinese, Russian, ...) company than by an EU or European regimes. Those companies are less likely to imprison or censor me than the regime who rules over Europe.

Yes, no imprisonment or censorship happening in the us.

There is certainly plenty of retaliation happening against non-compliant speech and people. The federal government has been used as a weapon against pro Palestinian activists, people are being imprisoned by Ice on the day of their citizenship ceremony, "enemy" officials like Leticia James face politically motivated investigations, universities are being bullied into ideological compliance and on and on.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by saguntum »

throw-12-16 wrote: post #221
soco wrote: post #171

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Venezuela you say? The US would be checking my entire social media history, not only what is on the phone, if I ever plan to enter the US.

I'm entering the US for work in a few weeks and I plan on taking burner devices.

You might need to disclose social media accounts, phone numbers, email accounts, and a lot of other information, regardless of your burner: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dz0g2ykpeo

Depends on when that goes into effect and how thoroughly it's actually implemented.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by O1111OOO »

Verbose, meandering and hopeful all spelled out in over 8,000 words. My own conclusion.... the cowardly countries of the world will do nothing to upset the US, they will not even consider uniting as a coalition because they don't trust each other enough. It's a dog eat dog world now.

They will do less to empower their own people. In fact, empowering people seem to be on the bottom of the list for most countries.

If we keep believing hopeful dribble like this, we get nowhere. There was nothing actionable here, no call to arms, no organization, no solutions.

You can't undo 25 years of a well engineered, intertwined logistical nightmare maintain by trillions of dollars and millions of people... by the "possible" action of a single country that may possibly, hopefully, maybe... repeal a thing.

It's this kind of hopeful rhetoric that keeps the current system humming happily and the billionaire class drinking champagne. The world has changed. There is a new world order coalescing and gaining strength. It is the one that entered a sovereign country and stole their oil.

There is a true ruling class emerging and the rest of us that will serve them.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by nbates80 »

ta9000 wrote: post #214

Americans aren’t your enemy. We’re just as upset by these idiots running our government as you are.

From the article:

> And never forget that the post-American internet will be good for Americans. Because, in a K-shaped, bifurcated, unequal America, the trillions that American companies loot from the world don't trickle down to Americans. The average American holds a portfolio of assets that rounds to zero, and that includes stock in US tech companies.

> The average American isn't a shareholder in Big Tech, the average American is a victim of Big Tech. Liberating the world from US Big Tech is also liberating America from US Big Tech.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by osiris88 »

mapt wrote: post #333
twixfel wrote: post #329

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We ought to avoid repeating your mistakes, no? Maybe unlimited campaign donations and so on, all this wonderful "American free speech (money = speech)" is a fundamentally bad idea. Worked exceedingly well for ~225 years, now it has lead to the implosion of the empire by electing a sociopathic retard to the presidency. Yes to free speech, no to whatever fucked up shit the US, its billionaire "libertarians" and Christi…

The American political system didn't implode until its system of capitalism had the conditions necessary to escape its popular control. That wasn't necessarily an eventuality. We had a semi-functional campaign finance system in living memory. Without the protections the Americans tried to shove into the First Amendment (which did not include anything about corporations at the time, as they did not exist) being enshri…

I don’t disagree with you but I disagree on a point of history.

> Without the protections the Americans tried to shove into the First Amendment (which did not include anything about corporations at the time, as they did not exist) being enshrined into law

If I recall correctly, Britain had joint stock companies from the 1600s, and Adam Smith and all that. They also even before this had “trusts” and “trusts which own trusts” which had certain rights, and the court of chancery had established precedent around these.

The French also had a massive state stock company in this time, and it became a massive bubble which imploded in XXXX. This attracted a lot of attention and commentary and it’s impossible that the American Founders were ignorant.

The Brit’s never had a freedom of speech, but in English common law, companies had property rights, standing to sue, and so on. Most activities a business person could take, they could take on behalf of their company instead.

So in the American context, it seems that the founders were likely aware of corporations. Why they didn’t put explicit limits in the first amendment, who knows. Maybe it just didn’t seem important at the time.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by fulafel »

hex-m wrote: post #140
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #104

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For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

"Google-free" FOSS Android-builds (Graphene, /e/, iodé) are available today and usable for most tasks. Just make sure your government IDs and banking apps don't depend on proprietary Google-only features.

Amusingly often banking are apps purpousefully configured to refuse working on the more secure Android builds ("SafetyNet").

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Klaster_1 »

everdrive wrote: post #148
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #104

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For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

Mobile phones are baffling to me. I heard a story recently that the Venezuelan government is stopping people on the street and inspecting mobile phones for dissident content. In such an environment, why are people relying on phones for anything? Why trust it at all? This stupid device _could_ get you taken to prison for merely having the wrong ideas, but you've still _just got to_ use it! I'm starting to think that i…

Phones are just an easy target. Dumb phones still have address books, these are social networks too that can be exploited. In fact, that's how Chechnya prosecutes and kills unwanted people, like gays or regime opponents - by unraveling phone contacts.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

dspillett wrote: post #365
codyb wrote: post #321

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I'm not sure how your math stacks out... but 2/3rds of 330 million people is not 75 million votes. The fact is, the American electoral system is heavily stacked against the actual population due to... - Citizens United allows individuals with sums of wealth which are nearly incomprehensible to literally drop hundreds of millions of dollars on a single election and not even have a dent in net worth - The electoral col…

> but 2/3rds of 330 million people is not 75 million votes It was a remembered stat, and there were more than 75,000,000 who “ either directly voted for it or sat on their elbows and let it happen”. A quick check of official stats: The turnout of 64.1% and 49.1%/49.3%/1.9% “of the vote” figures means: ~32% rep ~31% dem ~ 1% other ~36% did not vote So 68% voted for it or sat on their elbows. Pretty close to my half-re…

I suppose nonvoters didn't vote because their interests weren't represented by anyone.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

dspillett wrote: post #410
TeMPOraL wrote: post #383

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The biggest problem here isn't the numbers, but the usual manipulative rhetoric of putting people who "voted for it" and those who "sat on their elbows" into the same bucket, to vilify them together. I'll skip the philosophical argument for the absurdity of this view in general, because the numbers you provided speak even louder. Consider that both big parties got pretty much the same amount of votes[0] - so whether…

> so whether or not the 36% of population who didn't vote are seen as complicit villains Not complicit villains, it isn't as black and white as that, but those who don't engage and then complain are pretty close. After the brexit vote a number of people said things along the lines of “if I'd know it would matter, I'd have bothered”, which is something I find difficult to respond to in a polite manner.

You imply bothering is a silver bullet. But is it?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by gsf_emergency_6 »

aebtebeten wrote: post #204
dagenleg wrote: post #177

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Why Cantonese?

Optimists believe the new economic order will be mostly like the old, only perhaps involving a bit more trade[0] with cities like Guangzhou, Hong Kong, and Shenzhen, and a bit less trade with cities like Houston, LA, and NYC. (for Singapore, Mandarin would be better, but there English works, lah. Shanghai would need Mandarin, but we have our own financial centres) [0] if the Don were serious about hemispheres, this m…

Pedantry: most foreigners don't speak Cantonese in HQB

https://youtu.be/RTftU-8tkJc?t=16m34s

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