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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tonymet »

kiwijamo wrote: post #168
gpt5 wrote: post #127

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I find his videos to have quite a bit of hand waving and poor methodology together with being overly verbose. For example, he kept on saying that pods are not better in previous videos, but in the study he presented in this video, it showed that pods are performing significantly better than powders in every category. The study (which was not linked and I couldn't find it) was sponsored by a powder maker which the vid…

That has not been my experience with pods. When we switched back to powder the difference was night and day. Even my husband who used to swear by pods eventually gave in and agreed powder is much better. It is a bit fiddly yes but powder getting 99.9% of our dishes getting cleaned on the first run sealed the deal for us -- previously we were always having to add dishes to the next run or falling back to doing it manu…

Generic $5 walmart powder is the best and is constantly sold out . I buy 2-3 boxes whenever I can

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tonymet »

FredPret wrote: post #116
tonymet wrote: post #93

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even the cheap costco pods are 3x the cost of powder. And his point is that the pods undermine the dishwasher because they don't let you control when and how much detergent is deployed during the multiple washing cycles. powder deploys during rinse and wash. pods deploy only during wash (or only rinse if people put the pods into the tray, which is common) And the dishwashers are designed with a hardness index in the…

But the multi-pod strategy means you can give the machine soap to use in various cycles. Put some in the little flap, and some just in with the dishes. I'm not sure if my machine even has a hardness marking, but when I used liquid dishwasher soap, I simply filled up the compartment every time. As to the cost, yes it's 3X, but if you're reading this and you have a Costco membership, it's still a rounding error. Pods j…

Clumping can be avoided with a sealed container , like an old milk jug . And keeping bulk in a dry place , only keeping a couple weeks supply in the kitchen

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

amluto wrote: post #320
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #227

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PowerDisk? As long as you load salt and rinse aid, it works like a charm. As you said, if you want to save a bit of money, you can 3D print a replacement. But they last long enough that I don’t mind the cost.

What do salt and rinse aid have to do with it? Those have been things you load into a reservoir when prompted for years. And for those of us who live in HN’s homeland where the water is very soft, you may get better results by not loading rinse aid (there’s some moderately compelling evidence that rinse aid is rather toxic to digestive tracts, and it doesn’t even have much rinsing benefit if you’re rinsing with soft-…

> What do salt and rinse aid have to do with it?

If you should be using them and aren’t, the detergent in the disks doesn’t work. With them (I live with hard water, though a home filter takes a lot of it out) the disks work quite well in my experience.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by 93po »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #366
losvedir wrote: post #83

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This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

> He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! have you watched his videos? dude is on the spectrum. to be clear, he makes good vids. but his fascinations exist for a reason.

it doesnt feel nice to try to dismiss someone's interests and hobbies as "they're autistic"

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Kirby64 »

metabagel wrote: post #129
losvedir wrote: post #83

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This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

Perhaps there is an indentation on the outside of the detergent dispenser where you are meant to pour a bit of detergent for the pre-wash. Like in the video: https://youtu.be/DAX2_mPr9W8?si=Njn749InqNCbjhQd&t=822

Nope, Bosch 800 series specifically do not have an indentation, and also state in their manual that they do not require any prewash detergent and the prewash does not run with any detergent.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

Scoundreller wrote: post #221
bcoates wrote: post #192

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I think he said sharing a circuit with a fridge, which are generally 110 in the US -- i think this is how my apartment is wired (2-phase 30A to oven dedicated, one 20A for the whole rest of kitchen) Trying to run a resistive heater on the same circuit as a fridge compressor without tripping leans towards very conservative wattage

That's funny. Code in Ontario Canada is that the fridge needs to be on its own circuit. It's funny because we have an extra-big-ass inverter drive fridge that never draws more than an amp or two, even at startup because it's inherently soft-start. Just a waste of copper and a beaker really.

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tguvot »

Spare_account wrote: post #324
kiwijamo wrote: post #169

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It depends on the cycle for some. Mine one doesn't do a prewash for the 45mins QUICK cycle. But the ECO cycle does follow the normal prewash-then-wash process as described in the video. Hence I normally use the ECO cycle and put the correct amount of powder in both components. However in a hurry I sometimes just use the QUICK cycle and only use the main component as I know there is no point in adding more. The manual…

I'm fascinated at the number of people on an ostensibly techincal website who don't learn how their equipment works. You've summed up in a few sentences exactly how mine works, but there are dozens of commenters in this thread who appear to be unaware of the basic funcationality of their dishwasher. All I would add to what you've said is that when my Bosch does include a pre-wash in a cycle, it checks how dirty the w…

sometimes even the company that made equipment doesn't know how it works.

my dishwasher after few months suddenly instead of filling water and starting wash cycle initiated some kind of fill & drain cycle that went for a while without going into wash mode.

i called in service. they replaced pump, solenoid. talked with manufacturer directly, swapped a couple of main boards. it made dishwasher snap out of it.

few months later it started again. this time i allowed it to do whatever it was doing. after 15 minutes it started to wash.

over the time i noticed that dishwasher does this water cycling every few months and adds extra time to estimated program duration.

about once a year after asking a few questions if sprayer hands/filters/etc are clean, it will add 2 hours to wash cycle.

none of it described in manual, manufacturer service personal and "Factory support" that service talk to know about it (maybe they do by now. they didn't few years ago)

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tguvot »

emtel wrote: post #154
russdill wrote: post #132

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It seems like it would be trivial for the machine to pump water in, turn on the heating element, and wait until it reaches optimum temperature before beginning the cycle.

My understanding is that energy efficiency requirements prevent this. Dishwashers have a fixed energy budget they are allowed to expend, which may not be enough to heat cold tap water up to the optimal cleaning temp.

there is typically only 1 program that is used for labeling (of overall efficiency to achieve appropriate cleanness level). my manual specifies which one it is. it takes 3 hours. there is also fast&furious program that is less efficient but takes 1 hour

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by Groxx »

tguvot wrote: post #254
Groxx wrote: post #234

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many (vast majority I've seen) have a heater, but won't heat the water sufficiently for the pre-wash cycle from cold. or, frequently, the second / wash cycle, unless you set it to a high temp mode, and even then it's questionable / often just a timer and not thermometer-based. check your user manual. huge numbers of them tell you to run your nearby tap until it's hot before starting a cycle because of this exact reas…

pre-wash cycle meant to remove chunks of food/scraps. not to wash. my dishwasher doesn't bother to heat water for it. but for main wash cycle it heats water. i don't think i ever used dishwasher (american, eu, asian or turkish brands. some of them in country where they are hooked up to cold water) that bothered to heat water for pre-wash cycle. i think it's a feature and not a bug. my dishwasher manual doesn't say to…

if they're finally changing, I'm thrilled - maybe I'll have one in a decade :) thermocouples are so dirt cheap that it's ridiculous it was ever a thing.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by theLiminator »

hammock wrote: post #137
spondyl wrote: post #84

Hah! I had watched this just last night. I have a Fisher & Paykel Dishdrawer so this prompted me to check the instruction manual and sure enough, I had been putting Rinse Aid in the pre-wash area. I don't even really know what Rinse Aid is honestly but it's fun having some things be a black box. Turns out the correct spot is turning a knob, pulling it out and pouring it down a hole containing a glowing red light. I h…

I wouldn’t use rinse aid. It’s not good for you - damages your gut and may contain dioxane byproducts. I also would avoid detergents with ethoxylated alcohols (AEs). What to look for is any powder or powder-filled pod with a) no AEs and b) does contain amylase and protease , two food-eating enzymes that are often omitted for who knows why. 365 Whole Foods brand pods are my go-to

Do you know of any dishwasher powder (not pod) that's both effective and less likely to cause gut issues?
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