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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by ninkendo »

reaperducer wrote: post #9
suprjami wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the summary. American dishwashers don't have their own heater? All dishwashers I've seen in Australia only have cold water supply.

American dishwashers don't have their own heater? Some do, some don't. The ones that do vary in ability by overall dishwasher quality. The ones that don't are hooked up to the kitchen's hot water line. This is considered more energy efficient because a home's hot water heater (whether electric, gas, or another fuel) is better at heating the water in a bulk capacity than a tiny heater in the dishwasher. The downside i…

Also, I’m way too lazy to look it up right now, but I’m quite certain I’ve heard of dishwashers that run the hot water for a little bit before letting it fill the basin. Like, I’m pretty sure this sort of thing is commonplace.

It’s not like the engineers for heaterless dishwashers are just too stupid to realize there’s an obvious workaround for having to purge the line before filling the basin. Especially when the performance is so much measurably better when you do it.

Like I said though, it’s a guess. It’s also possible efficiency certifications ding you for the excess water use.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by woodpanel »

383toast wrote: post #2

summary: The creator argues that most dishwashers are designed to use a pre-wash dose and a main wash dose of detergent, a fundamental often ignored by single-dose pods, and presents independent ASTM testing confirming the new powder matches or exceeds the performance of a leading premium pod. The video also features a detailed demonstration using temperature logging and peanut butter to stress the importance of purg…

I've micro-optimized my dishwasher setup to have all my 100+ pods and other in-bulk dishwashing-chemicals stored in a compartment between my two dishwashers.

I'm also firmly in the camp of having a flat cutlery compartment at the top and not that inefficient, and uncivilized, scarring, basket in bottom section.

Until seeing that video I thought I was crazy. I've found my master.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tonymet »

FredPret wrote: post #90

I applaud this man's commitment to dishwashers. But you can buy a large box of generic and very cheap no-bullshit pods at Costco, and simply put two or even three of them in a load. If you're going the multi-pod route, you can put one in the dispenser and one or more right in with the dishes.

even the cheap costco pods are 3x the cost of powder. And his point is that the pods undermine the dishwasher because they don't let you control when and how much detergent is deployed during the multiple washing cycles.

powder deploys during rinse and wash. pods deploy only during wash (or only rinse if people put the pods into the tray, which is common)

And the dishwashers are designed with a hardness index in the hopper . you're supposed to line up the soap with your local hardness level to avoid residue.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by jeffbee »

masklinn wrote: post #81
jeffbee wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One segment of this video quite clearly shows that the fancy pod does dispense its contents in stages.

Not in any sort of meaningful way no. Pockets dissolving seconds later by random chance does not do anything in an hour long wash cycle.

Making part of the pod out of 3mil PVA and bonding it to another part made of 1mil PVA does not sound like unachievable technology to me. In fact, the first Google result for PVA films that I see sells them based on their various dissolution times.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by lurking_swe »

emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique.

This reminds me of how some of my house guests will accidentally splash water all over the bathroom counter and even the mirror when they wash up in the morning. I don’t say anything, to be polite, but they clearly lack technique lol.

This works for me:

0. store the dishwasher powder (box) under sink.

1. Open dishwasher door

2. grab box, place OVER the opened door.

3. dispense powder into cartridge in door (with spoon, tilting box, etc)

4. put spoon back in box OR fully tilt box back upright. “Crumbs” will drop onto the door, that’s OK.

5. move box back under sink.

Even if I was messy, I personally couldn’t make myself spend 5x on pods to avoid cleaning crumbs under the sink once a month. When i think of convenience i think of a dishwasher saving me hours every month. Not saving 10 seconds a month to wipe crumbs under the sink. :-)

We clearly all have different preferences and ideas of “convenience”. I respect that.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tonymet »

losvedir wrote: post #83
383toast wrote: post #2

summary: The creator argues that most dishwashers are designed to use a pre-wash dose and a main wash dose of detergent, a fundamental often ignored by single-dose pods, and presents independent ASTM testing confirming the new powder matches or exceeds the performance of a leading premium pod. The video also features a detailed demonstration using temperature logging and peanut butter to stress the importance of purg…

This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

his dishwasher detergent videos are a good example of an "improved" product being more expensive and less effective (like disposable razors).

With better understanding you can achieve far better results. I no longer rinse or even scrape dishes. with the right approach my dishwasher performance has been stellar. The user manual also includes proper tuning to local water hardness levels.

Poor dishwashing also discourages people from cooking at home, which leads to less healthful diets. So it's an important thing to get right.

Dishwashing is fascinating.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by jgtrosh »

FredPret wrote: post #90

I applaud this man's commitment to dishwashers. But you can buy a large box of generic and very cheap no-bullshit pods at Costco, and simply put two or even three of them in a load. If you're going the multi-pod route, you can put one in the dispenser and one or more right in with the dishes.

His crusade is in part about how pods are overdosed which can reduce their effectiveness (and be super wasteful)

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tonymet »

woodpanel wrote: post #87
losvedir wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been his stance for a long time. He has a lot of dishwasher videos for some reason! One thing I can't get a good answer to is whether the "prewash" step is universally the case or not. I have a good Bosch dishwasher and there's no compartment for a bit of pre-wash detergent. I don't even know if my dishwasher cycle has a pre-wash step. I would assume the dishwasher manufacturer knows what's best. The owner's…

Pods have become so ubiquitous that many companies ditched that powder compartment altogether. But you don't need one anyways just pour it into the cabin. The video explains why there always is a pre-wash step. Regardless of whether it comes with a pre-wash-powder compartment or not. I will try his solution.

it's inverted. the closing soap compartment is the washing step, the pre-wash tray contents can just be dumped.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by johnfn »

lurking_swe wrote: post #95
emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique. This reminds me of how some of my house guests will accidentally splash water all over the bathroom counter and even the mirror when they wash up in the morning. I don’t say anything, to be polite, but they clearly lack technique lol. This works for me: 0. store the dishwasher powder (box) under sink. 1. Open dishwasher door 2. grab b…

> if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique.

With a pod there is no technique to be improved. They just work, every single time.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by tonymet »

emtel wrote: post #80

Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gross. They are more expensive, but I buy them on sale at Costco for about $16/100, so at $0.16 per load I really don't care if powdered detergent is only $0.03 per load or whatever. There is clearly a revealed preference for pods among consumers for these things…

The issue of letting consumers choose the worse product is that the good products get pushed out of the market.

Grocery floorspace that was once primarily staples and whole foods is mostly now junkfood.

Proper razors have been replaced with disposables.

Skincare & toothpaste products contain sodium laureth sulfate , which lathers well, but causes mouth sores and skin irritation.

Letting consumers choose usually ends up optimizing superficial and sometimes harmful traits.

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