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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by rodgerd »

decimalenough wrote: post #169
lupusreal wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't think the Trump admin gives a rat's ass about Jews. It's an excuse for legal action, in the same way that "fentanyl" was the excuse for tariffs on Canada.

You're correct that Christian Zionists only care about Jews to the extent that the right number of them will be in Israel to be killed as part of the End Times prophecies based off of Revelations. But they are fanatical supporters of the state of Israel because they see it as necessary to bring about the rapture.

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Post by JCattheATM »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #339
dragonwriter wrote: post #254

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> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. The simple answer is that they don't. Alumni are often in powerful positions, but even they are, that is very different from the school itself exerting influence.

A friend is a big Harvard alum. He says that most of his classmates are very unhappy with the direction of the university. So in his circle the alumni may be cheering this on. Maybe not the extremism but the general idea of telling Harvard that it needs to get back to truth-seeking.

It boggles my mind that anyone with, apparently and allegedly, such a high tier education, would be against the actions Harvard has been taking this year.

They are literally just fighting for basic academic freedoms.

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

ty6853 wrote: post #396
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #363

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Private schools can create and enforce their own rules how they wish. The United States government is forbidden from creating or enforcing rules on content of speech. It's actually only a 1st Amendment question in one case and not the other. Looks like they tricked ya though! (Technically it's a 1st Amendment question in both cases in that private entities have a 1st Amendment right to create rules for their own camp…

In regards to protest though, the activity they are interested in, that is a right of 'the people to peaceably assemble' per 1A. Non-immigrants are not 'the people' per current interpretation of the constitution. If they were people, they would have all the rights ascribed to 'the people' including right to bear arms. Non immigrants do not have a right to bear arms, thus it cannot logically follow they are [the] peop…

> immigrants are not 'the people' per current interpretation of the constitution.

Not true. The meaning of "the people" is interpreted differently from Amendment to Amendment. In the 1st and 5th Amendments, it has historically been interpreted to include non-citizens (even illegal ones!) while in the 2nd Amendment it has been interpreted much more narrowly.

And regardless, this in no way authorizes the government to compel Harvard to do anything. Even in the most fascist interpretation you can dream up, it would mean the government itself is allowed to curtail their assembly. Harvard has no obligations (under the 1st Amendment!) to do any such thing.

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Post by animitronix »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #215
mperham wrote: post #192

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It doesn’t matter, the damage is done. If you’re an international student, are you going to risk an El Salvador gulag?

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lol what rock have you been living under?

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

ivape wrote: post #27
ar813 wrote: post #10

If they can do this to Harvard, what hope do other universities have?

Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned by a judge?

Absolutely they have explicit powers to do this. Harvard is refusing to comply with the requirements of the visa program that allows them to bring student into the country so the administration is removing Harvard from the program.

There is little to no chance of this getting overturned.

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Post by goatlover »

kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

I don't get how DHS has control over what universities foreign students can attend. Either than can attend school in the US or not. Saying they have to transfer from Harvard to another American university is total abuse of power. Surely there are lawsuits in the works over this.

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Post by brazzy »

ceejayoz wrote: post #55
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr... > A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

What judges say doesn't matter anymore to this administration. They'll just implement it anyway.

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Post by ethbr1 »

lenerdenator wrote: post #401
ethbr1 wrote: post #391

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An election only puts a few people in an office. If those people try to exert their will through force (which, I wouldn’t classify cutting Harvard off as using force, just being a jerk) and there can be severe physical consequences done to the state for that action, then I wouldn’t call it a dictatorship at that point.

The US regulatory system is intertwined with enough of the country that dictatorship can be wrought through its abuse.

E.g. if the US court system were more MAGA, Trump would be ignoring the Constitution today (habeas corpus), instead of toeing around the line

E.g. Trump silencing media speech by abusing FCC spectrum transfer authority

Institutions and the Constitution are what prevent the US from being a dictatorship, and ultimately both of those things rest on elected (indirectly or directly) officials, and therefore free and fair elections.

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Post by magicalist »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #300
mcphage wrote: post #146

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> The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students. Trump's history has shown that if you cave into his demands, he doesn't leave you alone—instead he starts demanding even more, since he knows you'll fold.

can you give an example?

> can you give an example?

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/politics-elec...

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