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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by simonklitj »

sepositus wrote: post #367
55555 wrote: post #363

Adobe runs what must be one of the largest deceptive rebills. The vast majority of users signing up for a monthly plan do not realize that it is actually an "annual plan, billed monthly" and thus that if they cancel after one month (for example) they'll be billed for the remaining 11 immediately. I honestly don't know how they haven't faced FTC action for this, as it's been their primary model for 5-10 years now.

Wasn't there some action around this like a year ago? Can't find it now, but I thought it was investigated at some point.

Yeah, you can change plans (at no cost), then cancel right after the change. You get 14 days of free cancellation, which resets on plan change.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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magicmicah85 wrote: post #58
simonw wrote: post #36

Yeah, they posted this: > Hey, we're Adobe! We're here to connect with the artists, designers, and storytellers who bring ideas to life. What's fueling your creativity right now? > Drop a reply, tag a creator, or share your latest work—we'd love to see what inspires you! That's such a bland, corporate message. It feels totally inauthentic. Do Adobe (a corporation) really "love to see what inspires you" or do they jus…

They want engagement for their new account, it's what anyone who posts on social media wants.

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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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masswerk wrote: post #69
magicmicah85 wrote: post #58

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They want engagement for their new account, it's what anyone who posts on social media wants.

Yes, but it's not what social media users want. How about posting tips, small micro courses, behind the scene stories about what motivated some choices in the app, anything useful or endearing? Not just harvesting likes and account names?

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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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_Algernon_ wrote: post #390
55555 wrote: post #374

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It seems you're right. I can't find how big the fine was. ChatGPT says it is still ongoing. Not sure if that's right. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/06/...

We all have access to chatgpt. If we want hallucination ridden bullshit, we'll find it ourselves.

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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by caseyy »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #390
55555 wrote: post #374

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It seems you're right. I can't find how big the fine was. ChatGPT says it is still ongoing. Not sure if that's right. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/06/...

We all have access to chatgpt. If we want hallucination ridden bullshit, we'll find it ourselves.

I agree with you about ChatGPT "facts", but the parent commenter shared valuable information with a source. No need to treat them in such a rude way.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by AlOwain »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #390
55555 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you're right. I can't find how big the fine was. ChatGPT says it is still ongoing. Not sure if that's right. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/06/...

We all have access to chatgpt. If we want hallucination ridden bullshit, we'll find it ourselves.

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Post by vachina »

dharmab wrote: post #295
vachina wrote: post #44

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Any number of AI apps out there can easily replace 95% of Photoshop’s usecase.

Which ones?

One that I use frequently is FaceApp. They seem to on device face touchups. For subject removal Google photos is very good at it, though it needs to upload your photo.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by pastage »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #351
Sir_Twist wrote: post #302

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I'd say that is a bit of an ungenerous characterization. Is it possible that it could be both? That while artists maybe do feel under attack in terms of competition, that there is a genuine ethical dilemma at hand? If I were an artist, and I made a painting and published it to a site which was then used to train an LLM, I would feel as though the AI company treated me disingenuously, regardless of competition or not.…

> Is it possible that it could be both? That while artists maybe do feel under attack in terms of competition, that there is a genuine ethical dilemma at hand? The rights artists have over their work are economic rights. The most important fair use factor is how the use affects the market for the original work. If Disney is lobbying for copyright term extensions and you want to make art showing Mickey Mouse in a cage…

Actually moral rights is what allow you to say no to AI. It is also a big part of copyright and more important in places were fair use does not exist in the extent it does in the US.

Further making a variant of a famous art piece under copyright might very well be a derivative. There are court cases here just some years for the AI boom were a format shift from photo to painting was deemed to be a derivative. The picture generated with "Painting of a archeologist with a whip" will almost certainly be deemed a derivative if it would go through the same court.

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Post by kergonath »

caseyy wrote: post #425
_Algernon_ wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all have access to chatgpt. If we want hallucination ridden bullshit, we'll find it ourselves.

I agree with you about ChatGPT "facts", but the parent commenter shared valuable information with a source. No need to treat them in such a rude way.

The ChatGPT bit brings nothing. Just the source would be enough. Nobody feels the need to justify anything by saying "looked it up on Google". What matters is the actual source, and ChatGPT isn’t one.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by visarga »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #90
multimoon wrote: post #75

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This is I think a narrow viewpoint that assumes the AI will ever get truly as good as a human artist. Will it get good enough for most people? Probably, but if not Adobe then four others will do the same thing, and as another commenter pointed out Adobe is the only one even attempting to make AI tools ethically. I think the hate is extremely misdirected. AI tech and tools aren’t just going to go away, and people aren…

There is no such thing as "get as good as a human artist" unless it becomes an actual human that lived the human experience. Even bad art starts with something to express and a want to express it. Without that, it's only as good as a human artist in the way a picture of a work of art is. Actual AI art would first require an ai that wants to express something, and then it would have be trying to express something abou…

> There is no such thing as "get as good as a human artist" unless it becomes an actual human that lived the human experience. Even bad art starts with something to express and a want to express it.

There is always an actual human who has actual human experience in the loop, the AI doesn't need to have it. AI doesn't intend to draw anything on its own, and can't enjoy the process, there has to be a human to make it work on either intent (input) or value (output) side.

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