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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by sdrothrock »

adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data

I was actually contacted by someone at Adobe for a chat about disability representation and sensitivity in Japan because they were doing research to gauge the atmosphere here and ensure that people with disabilities were represented, and how those representations would be appropriate for Japanese culture. It really blew my mind.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by devmor »

adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

If they are trying to be ethical, all it takes is one look at their stock photo service to see that they are failing horribly.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by 55555 »

Adobe runs what must be one of the largest deceptive rebills. The vast majority of users signing up for a monthly plan do not realize that it is actually an "annual plan, billed monthly" and thus that if they cancel after one month (for example) they'll be billed for the remaining 11 immediately. I honestly don't know how they haven't faced FTC action for this, as it's been their primary model for 5-10 years now.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by devmor »

megaman821 wrote: post #14

As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.

The last time I logged into my twitter account (which I use maybe once or twice a year to post about tech or complain to a customer service account) the first thing I saw was a paid ad espousing white nationalism and The Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

I have a very hard time believing that Bluesky is more hostile than Twitter.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by Henchman21 »

adzm wrote: post #28

Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. The AI features in Photoshop are the best around in my experience and come in handy constantly for all sorts of touchup work. Anyway I don't really think they deserve a lot of the hate they get, but I do hope this encourages development of viable alternatives to their products. Photoshop is still pretty much p…

SUPER ethical to try and put artists and entire industries out of business to be replaced with Adobe products.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by Henchman21 »

scarab92 wrote: post #278
rchaud wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when did a damn website have to be a "platform"? Did anyone ask to chat with Time Warner on the public AOL chatrooms of the 90s? Were Digg users interested in hearing from Blockbuster in the 2000s? Adobe could try to offer virtual "office hours" with employees helping people learn to use the software, give something back to their users. Instead they immediately treated it like another marketing channel with a f…

Platforms which drive away normal users with unwarranted hate become increasingly concentrated with toxic people over time. If bluesky don’t find a way to escape this spiral of driving away normal people and attracting toxic people it’s going to become a sort of left-wing 4chan.

How is the Adobe corporate account a "normal user"? Define "normal people"?

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by sepositus »

55555 wrote: post #363

Adobe runs what must be one of the largest deceptive rebills. The vast majority of users signing up for a monthly plan do not realize that it is actually an "annual plan, billed monthly" and thus that if they cancel after one month (for example) they'll be billed for the remaining 11 immediately. I honestly don't know how they haven't faced FTC action for this, as it's been their primary model for 5-10 years now.

Wasn't there some action around this like a year ago? Can't find it now, but I thought it was investigated at some point.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by hliyan »

The phenomenon at work here is: if product being produced by a profit-seeking enterprise can be rented instead of being sold, said enterprise will eventually find a way to do it, then over time, rather than a single bill, it will attempt to rent out individual aspects of the now product-turned-service, followed by cost cutting that degrades the default service level while introducing additional service levels for which the consumer will have to pay additional fees, and finally making switching away to competitors progressively difficult for the consumer. This is a natural outcome of profit-maximization.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by anonfordays »

gdulli wrote: post #81
ChocolateGod wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you claiming cancel culture isn't real?

"Cancel culture" is just a term we started using to cope with seeing people we're sympathetic to being judged for their words or actions.

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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Post by __loam »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #258
mjmsmith wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most artists would prefer not to compete with an AI image generator that has been trained on their own artwork without their permission, for obvious reasons.

That's exactly the moral argument Adobe is taking away from them, and the same argument has minimal economic relevance because it's so rare that a customer requires a specific individual artist's style.

Artists don't hate Adobe just because they're making an AI art generator, they hate Adobe because it's a predatory, scummy corporation that is difficult to work with and is the gatekeeper for common industry tools. Also, Adobe didn't take away the moral arguments against AI art, they just used previously liscened imagery that existed before they started making AI art generators. There's still an argument that it's deceptive to grandfather in previously licensed work into a new technology, and there's still an argument that spending resources on automating cultural expression is a shitty thing to do.
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