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Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047

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Re: Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047

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Excellent move by Newsom. We have a very active legislature, but it's been extremely bandwagon-y in recent years. I support much of Wiener's agenda, particularly his housing policy, but this bill was way off the mark. It was basically a torpedo against open models. Market leaders like OpenAI and Anthropic weren't really worried about it, or about open models in general. Its supporters were the also-rans like Musk [1]…

Bills that could kill major new industries need to be reactive, if at all. This was a terrible bill. Thank you, Governor.

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That's actually a really good point. I've never looked into that, I just took it for granted that to get a line break on HN you need two consecutive newline chars. I guess the thing to do would be to look at all (well, lots of) comments that have single newlines and see what would break if they were rendered as actual newlines.

Could be applied to all comments made after a certain future date. That way nothing in the past is poorly formatted

Or just brute-force it with string_replace of all "\n" with "

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(why yes, i am a PHP guy, why do you ask?)

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> gov.ca.gov Ah, I think now I know why Canada's government website is canada.ca (which I remember thinking was a bit odd or more like a tourism site when looking a while ago, vs. say gov.uk or gov.au).

unfortunately the us owns the entire gov tld

Yes but other countries (off the top of my head: UK, Aus, India) use gov.[ccTLD]

My point was that that's confusing with gov.ca if the US is using ca.gov and gov.ca.gov for California, and that perhaps that's why Canada does not do that.

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Ground.News (no affiliation) is great for anyone interested in getting actual news and comparing biases. I particularly like that if you have an account they will show you news stories you're missing based on your typical reading patterns. I do wish the partisan categorization was a bit more nuanced/intentional. It basically boils down to: - Major national news outlet? Left. - Local affiliate of major national news o…

> - Blog you've never heard of? Right. That checks out. There's a certain sect of the far right that is easily convinced by one guy saying "The media is lying to you! This is what's really happening!" followed by the most insane shit you've read in your life. They love to rant about the Deep State.

When people say, "The Deep State", what they really mean is, "unelected lifelong government employees who can create regulations that have the force of law".

And that is a problem. Congress makes laws, not government agencies like the FDA, EPA, USDA, etc.

We've seen a near-total abdication of responsibility from Congress on highly charged matters that'll piss off someone, somewhere in their constituency, because they'd rather allow the President to make an Executive Order, or a bureaucrat somewhere to create a rule or regulation that will have the same effect.

It's disgusting, shameful, and the American people need to do better, frankly. We need to demand Congress do their jobs.

So many of our problems can be solved if these people weren't concerned about being re-elected. Elected positions are supposed to be something you take time out of your life to do for a number of years, then you go back to your livelihood - not something you do for the entirety of your life.

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For very interested readers, here is a meta-collection of articles from left, center and right about the story: https://ground.news/article/newsom-vetoes-bill-for-stricter-... And a short bias comparison: > The left discusses Newsom's veto as a victory for Silicon Valley, concentrating on the economic implications and backing from tech giants. > The center highlights the broader societal ramifications, addressing cri…

Ground.News (no affiliation) is great for anyone interested in getting actual news and comparing biases. I particularly like that if you have an account they will show you news stories you're missing based on your typical reading patterns. I do wish the partisan categorization was a bit more nuanced/intentional. It basically boils down to: - Major national news outlet? Left. - Local affiliate of major national news o…

I've found The Tangle (https://www.readtangle.com/ - no affiliation) to be a pretty balanced daily politics newsletter. They mentioned the Newsom veto today, and may address it later this week, though I don't know for sure.

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> Safety protocols must be adopted. Proactive guardrails should be implemented, and severe consequences for bad actors must be clear and enforceable. Here, here. But this vague, passive voiced, hand-wavey statement that isn't even a promise does not exactly inspire me with a ton of confidence. Considering he turned this bill down to protect business interests, I wonder what acceptable legislation would look like, fro…

Well, you already can't nuke someone. You can't make and release a biological weapon. It's probably illegal to turn the whole world into paperclips.

There are already laws against doing harm to others. Sure, we need to fill some gaps (like preventing harmful deep fakes), but most things are pretty illegal already.

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I think the most acheivable way of having some verification of AI images is simply for the AI generators to store finger prints of every image they generate. That way if you ever want to know you can go back to Meta or whoever and say "Hey, here's this image, do you think it came from you". There's already technology for that sort of thing in the world (content ID from youtube, CSAM detection etc.). It's obviously no…

What's to stop someone from downloading an open source model, running it themselves, and either just not sharing the hashes, subtly corrupting the hash algo so that it gives a false negative, etc? Also you need perceptual hashing (since one bitflip of the generated media alters the whole hash) which is squishy and not perfectly reliable to begin with.

Nothing. But that’s not the point. The point is that, to a rounding error, all output is made by a small number of models from a small number of easily regulated companies.

It’s never going to be possible to ensure all media is reliably tagged somehow. But if just half of media generated is identifiable as such that helps. Also helps avoid it in training new models, which could turn out useful.

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I wondered if the article was over-dramatizing what risks were covered by the bill, so I read the text: (g) (1) “Critical harm” means any of the following harms caused or materially enabled by a covered model or covered model derivative: (A) The creation or use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon in a manner that results in mass casualties. (B) Mass casualties or at least five hundred million d…

--- (2) “Critical harm” does not include any of the following:

(A) Harms caused or materially enabled by information that a covered model or covered model derivative outputs if the information is otherwise reasonably publicly accessible by an ordinary person from sources other than a covered model or covered model derivative.

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This exception swallows any rule and fails to target the difference with AI: it's actually better than an ordinary person at assimilating multiple fact streams.

That suggests this law is legislative theater: something designed to enlist interest and donations, i.e., to build a political franchise. That could be why it targets only the largest models, affecting only the biggest players, who have the most resources to donate per decision and the least goodwill to burn with opposition.

Regulating AI would be a very difficult legislative/administrative task, on the order of a new tax code in its complexity. But it will be impossible if treated as a political franchise.

As for self-regulation, with OpenAI's changing to for-profit, the non-profit form is insufficient to maintain a public benefit focus. Permitting this conversion is on par with the 1990's+ conversion of nonprofit hospital systems to for-profit.

AI's potential shines a bright light on our weakness in governance. While weak governance affords more opportunities, escaping the exploitation caused by governance failures is the engine of autocracy, and autocracy consumes property along with all other rights.

Re: Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047

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> - Blog you've never heard of? Right. That checks out. There's a certain sect of the far right that is easily convinced by one guy saying "The media is lying to you! This is what's really happening!" followed by the most insane shit you've read in your life. They love to rant about the Deep State.

When people say, "The Deep State", what they really mean is, "unelected lifelong government employees who can create regulations that have the force of law". And that is a problem. Congress makes laws, not government agencies like the FDA, EPA, USDA, etc. We've seen a near-total abdication of responsibility from Congress on highly charged matters that'll piss off someone , somewhere in their constituency, because the…

Have you considered electing better representatives for yourself to Congress

It's easy to blame to Congress, but in my view US Congress nowadays is a perfect reflection of the electorate, where all sides approach all problems as "Someone [not me] should do something about this thing I do not like." Congressmen are then elected and approach it the same way.

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This guy is a menace. Among his other recent bills are ones to require cars not be able to go more than 10mph over the speed limit (watered down to just making a terrible noise when they do) and to decriminalize intentionally giving someone AIDs. I know this sounds like hyperbole.. how could this guy keep getting elected?? But its not, it's california!

I don’t follow politics closely and don’t live in CA, but is he really that bad? I had a look on Wikipedia for some other bills he worked on that seem to me positive: * wanted to decriminalize psychoactive drugs (lsd/dmt/mdma etc) * wanted to allow alcohol sales till 4am * a bill about removing parking minimums for new constructions close to public transit Though I agree the car one seems ridiculous, and on first gla…

He's mostly good, and is the main guy fixing housing and transit in CA.

But yeah, there are some issues he's just wrong on (AI and the recent restaurant fee problem), others which are controversial (decriminalizing HIV transmission), and then some trans rights issues that some commenters are being hyperbolic about (should transwomen be in womens or mens prison?).

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