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Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by isaacremuant »

George83728 wrote: post #395
isaacremuant wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the community is now dead or moved off reddit and it doesn't matter what reddit does with the subreddit that formerly hosted that community. It's an ongoing situation but I love how you're trying to force everyone's hand to get to "how things were" for you. Funnily enough. That's what the protest is about, in a way. > And this is why people are mad about reddit threatening to reopen subreddits; I love how the self…

> It's an ongoing situation but I love how you're trying to force everyone's hand to get to "how things were" for you. > Go create the sub you want. The community will follow you, right? I stopped using reddit 10 years ago, it can burn for all I care. Stop trying to psychoanalyze people (badly.) If admins lift the blackouts and people go back to using the subreddits, then obviously those people were not committed to…

> Stop trying to psychoanalyze people (badly.)

Classic internet projection.

> If admins lift the blackouts and people go back to using the subreddits, then obviously those people were not committed to not using reddit

Backwards logic. They may be using it to complain or it may be intervened in a myriad of ways. You're set on dismissing while pretending you don't care but then make this claims that display ignorance of typical reddit behavioural patterns.

> The answer to this problem is for you to stop using reddit, then reddit's problems won't be your problems.

You keep going to this myopic well. Hey, if this bothers you shut up. Close your screen. Go to bed.

Basic b writing.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by aaomidi »

conradfr wrote: post #169
aaomidi wrote: post #30

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They can easily use shit like ChatGPT to astroturf tbh.

I can't find it but there was a screenshot the other day of a pro-reddit post which started with "I'm sorry, but I cannot fulfill that request."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36361247

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by deeviant »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #346
deeviant wrote: post #314

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In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. The alternatives are not palatable to many, so the users are basically being unilaterally banished from Reddit. And that's just the opening salvo to monetize reddit. Give it another year, and your little sub will have 3 ad posts per "actual" post and modded by the Tempe Chamber of Commerce.

> In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users. It's more like mods are a disproportionate number of 3rd party users due to wanting to mod from their phones, and are making the blackout decision for everybody.

> This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users.

We don't seem to agree on the definition of "many".

Apollo had 1.5 million users. RIF about the same. That's just two of the biggest 3rd party shutting down basically overnight.

That's 3+ million users. I'm fairly certain that 3+ million people counts as "many".

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by coolhand2120 »

devit wrote: post #69

Well, that's accurate and indeed a major problem. Subreddit moderators, like unfortunately usually moderators everywhere, can act arbitrarily and there is no way for users to remove or punish moderators. So this means that /r/$FOO is not actually a subreddit about $FOO, moderated so that exactly any non-spam discussion about $FOO is allowed, but rather a dictatorship ran by whoever happened to grab the name first. So…

There are options, now it seems these options are under threat. A good example is /guitar. The mod was a tyrant, now there is /r/guitars. It may seem a bit silly and you may say it does not scale, but for the last few years it’s worked. Never let perfect stand in the way of good enough. For me the point is moot, I refuse to return to Reddit. So far it’s like stopping smoking.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by dingaling »

deeviant wrote: post #423
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users. It's more like mods are a disproportionate number of 3rd party users due to wanting to mod from their phones, and are making the blackout decision for everybody.

> This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users. We don't seem to agree on the definition of "many". Apollo had 1.5 million users. RIF about the same. That's just two of the biggest 3rd party shutting down basically overnight. That's 3+ million users. I'm fairly certain that 3+ million people counts as "many".

That's about 5% of Reddit's DAU

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by Seattle3503 »

runnr_az wrote: post #261
deeviant wrote: post #156

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> Some of us think that the blackouts are starting to look a lot like a tantrum that doesn't represent the best interests of the community. I've yet to seen a single coherent argument that supports this statement. Please enlighten me.

I use Reddit to talk about local stuff, ultralight gear. The larger world of mods and “power users” and whatnot - not super relevant. I understand how ya’ll feel, but is blocking people from using r/tempe really useful? “I’m gonna make Reddit completely unusable so Reddit doesn’t become shitty”

You could use this as an argument against any sort of protest that inconveniences bystanders.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by Seattle3503 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #342
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #238

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> and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods How about all the Apollo and RiF users? I'm sympathetic and supportive of the mods but I'm angry because at the end of the month the app I've been using for more than a decade will be no longer functional due to choices Reddit is making.

I wonder if Apollo could return as Apollo Premium, with only paid accounts. What fraction of old Apollo users would be willing to subscribe to keep that functionality?

All third party apps are doomed to deliver a second class experience due to the exclusion of "NSFW" (however that will be defined) content.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by Seattle3503 »

bioemerl wrote: post #266
joshstrange wrote: post #143

Lol, users have been asking for this since almost the start of Reddit, and Reddit only cares now because it actually is hitting them where it matters. This is always so annoying, when sites are stagnant for years and then suddenly they can pump out new features when it helps them even if people have been asking for forever. See also mod tools (though they have broken that promise more times than I can count) and shit…

Yeah, not only is this crazy a slap in the face to Reddit users who have wanted it for ages, it's also a slap in the face to people who make subs for their own stuff. So if I made a sub and I post to it, I build the content on it, some group of users can just vote me out randomly? Fuck that. They do such a thing and reddit becomes salted earth for anyone wanting to post their content on it, and for anyone wanting to…

Agreed with what you said. There are topics, and there are communities. They often get conflate. Moderators of communities should feel some sense of ownership over the community. But they don't own the topic.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

deeviant wrote: post #423
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users. It's more like mods are a disproportionate number of 3rd party users due to wanting to mod from their phones, and are making the blackout decision for everybody.

> This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users. We don't seem to agree on the definition of "many". Apollo had 1.5 million users. RIF about the same. That's just two of the biggest 3rd party shutting down basically overnight. That's 3+ million users. I'm fairly certain that 3+ million people counts as "many".

Percentage wise, it's less than 10%.

So sure, it's many, it's also a very insignificant number.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Post by CyberDildonics »

isaacremuant wrote: post #343
pokstad wrote: post #124

The fact that a discussion topic has centralized moderation is weird to me. Why should a group of biased imperfect individuals control a topic like r/news? Seems like a ripe area to develop automated moderation using the distinct preferences of each user.

I'm sorry. Do you think HN is unmoderated? Unless you're in a very free speech leaning place, which are unfortunately and increasingly harder to find, every forum is modded and the mods hold varying degrees of influence. And the site wide admins, when there's such a thing, hold more.

unfortunately and increasingly harder to find

They aren't hard to find. The reality is that the people who want to say 'whatever they want' are usually just looking to spout endless conspiracy theories, vaccine denial, pro putin propaganda, election denial and lots of other nonsense misinformation with no evidence behind it.

The problem is that these people don't just want a place to say it, they want to find a large audience to broadcast to normal people trying to have normal discussions. Normal people don't want them around, people running sites don't want them around and talking to each other isn't what they want.

Finding a place to say what you want is easy, finding a place where you can foul up normal message boards and everyone just lets you do it is the challenge.

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