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Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#121

Part of me knows that there are scores of users waiting for their 'turn' to be moderators if the current ones are voted out. I don't think the current moderators see/acknowledge this.

I think they know it.

I think what they are betting on is those new mods will be completely inept compared to experienced ones and it will lead to the site becoming worse overall.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Reddit wouldn't be what it is without mods. Good luck finding people that will work for free without a sense of ownership.

There's an endless supply of people who want to moderate forums and are happy to do so for free even if they don't get to set the rules or operate as a dictator. The moderators who consider the lack of "a sense of ownership" a deal breaker are precisely the people you don't want as moderators. They're the ones who are likely interested in that power for the sake of abusing it to serve their own personal agenda rather…

The problem is not the supply of mods, it's the commitment. Lots of people imagine they want to be mods but very few people really want to do the work.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#123

The difference between Musk/Twitter and spez/Reddit is that the value of Reddit lies in its army of unpaid moderators, and Twitter's value lies in its brand recognition. When Musk took over and pissed off everyone, the only protest the users can do is to leave the platform. Some did but not enough to hurt Twitter. That's because the management (ie modding) is done by Twitter staff already. With a strong brand, Twitte…

>If those moderators leave, Then they will find new ones. As long as Reddit has usecases, as long as the powertrip is worth the lack of ownership and poor tooling, there will be mods willing to moderate subs and feeling powerful and getting drunk off of it. 'Historically', this has happened in every social medium with moderation so far. There's no anarchy here. Most Redditors don't care for the mods in particular. If…

I do not care for the mods themselves, but I do care for their output - which is that each community has its own vibe and rules. Also the Reddit strike showed that powerful moderators are great for self-organisation - nothing like that would be possible if moderators could not shut down the communities, users on their own can't realistically self-organise for action like that.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#124
The fact that a discussion topic has centralized moderation is weird to me. Why should a group of biased imperfect individuals control a topic like r/news? Seems like a ripe area to develop automated moderation using the distinct preferences of each user.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#125

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

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Not at all. Just a regular user who wasn't particularly inconvenienced by the blackout.

Were you seriously inconvenienced by the blackout in some way? I really don't get the overly impassioned 'rise up against the mods' posts I've been seeing.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#126

There goes reddit. No one wants an unmoderated slop.

It appears that they have been moving towards admins taking the moderator role for some time.

I wrote, pre-blackout, what I thought was an innocuous comment stating that I would not be offended if someone called me gay (why would I be?) and I eventually received a site-wide suspension for it. No concern was raised from the moderators of the subreddit it was posted in despite the fact that their rules dictate not violating the site rules, which I apparently did.

The panic over there is fascinating.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do care about the third party apps because they assist moderators in doing their job (which has been done for free as a service to Reddit). And more personally, they provide accessibility support lacking both in the Reddit website and app. I am not a mod, and will literally no longer be able to use Reddit as well as I have had over the last years. The third-party developers have provided Reddit with tremendous valu…

> (which has been done for free as a service to Reddit). Most of them are doing it because they get off on having a tiny bit of power. I couldn't care less about the API or the will of capricious mods - I hope Reddit will hand the subs over to other people

If they would only moderate for feeling power, they wouldn’t risk their mod position by going against the only party who can kick them.

Honestly, I also think that public forums such as reddit shouldn’t build up a walled garden like this and the information should be free to anyone, regardless whether they use it commercially or for research.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#128

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

There's a silent majority - "lurkers" - that the mods have completely ignored over the course of their tantrum. I've commented more in the past few days than i have in the past few months, because it's obvious the mods have completely lost perspective of the average user experience.

I mean that is how everything in life works.

Most people lurk politically and are just pulled along by people who care.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#129

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

Well, I, for one, don't fucking care about third party apps (which make money mind you) Reddit is/was my first source of real human information for a lot of stuff (since google is unusable now). And this blackout was really a pain in the ass

I don't have a third party app, either, but I do care that a business values its customers and partners... And I'm really getting signs that Reddit feels its only customers / partners are the advertisers. They've made their own website unusable because it demands you use the app instead. And the official reddit app just isn't a good app or an enjoyable app—it feels like a play for them to maximize ads & tracking. They don't have great native tools for moderators—essentially their own pool of free labor.

I know these things almost always blow over, eventually, but this has been just another part of the spiral. If you think your only relationship is with your advertisers... someday the advertisers will be the last ones you have left before they too take their business elsewhere.

Re: Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After Blackout

#130

Ha. There were some weird posts from new users in subreddits I frequent. 'we need to rise up against the mods the blackout is an outrage!' It was met with unanimous wtf is wrong with you, go outside. I get the feeling spez is creating new accounts and posting as them again.

Mods seem to think they own the subs they moderate. They do not; the subs belong to the community. Mods do have too much power at the moment.

The easiest way to resolve this is to perma ban all the mods of closed subs, then remove the ability for subs to be closed.

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